10 comments on “2013-2014 Atomic Automatic, 193cm”
I got this ski 2 weeks ago and apon toying with the idea I decided to mount it at team. I’m 6’3″ 200 pounds and ever sense I have been staring at them wishing I mounted them +1. Here in the PNW we are waiting for snow and I hope I like them at team but I think they are gonna be hyper sensitive to mounting to the mounting position, any thoughts on how sensitive they are?
Hey, Jordon – I don’t have a whole lot more to add than what I wrote above, but I certainly preferred these at +2, while neither Joe nor Will felt compelled to mount more forward. So at this point, I’d just ski them and see what you think. Let us know…
My friend just bought the 193 Automatics with Dukes and I had a chance to compare them to my 2011 Bibby Pro’s (190 cm). Side by side the Automatics felt only a tiny bit longer, but when skiing in groomers the shovel felt distinctively longer (both mounted on the line). Could be because the Automatics have a longer and higher tip rocker profile?
And also I think that the Bibby Pro’s felt more stiffer and stable in high speeds…
Normally, Jake, more splay and a deeper rocker line would translate to a shorter feel on snow, not longer. Mostly, the Bibby is just a more center mounted ski than the Automatic. The Bibby is certainly stiffer, and like you, I do find the Bibby to be more stable at speed, though the tail of the Bibby contributes to this stability, too.
I also posted in the original Automatic thread, but this might be helpful for some readers here too. I’m 6ft4, 80kg (180lbs) and have about 20 days on my 193 Automatics now, mounted at +2.5 (the “Team” or “Recommended” line is -10.5 from cord centre, so pretty far back compared to the line on skis like the S7 or JJ). +2.5 is the centre of the camber and the centre of the sidewall section, so this made sense to me and looked right when eyeballing the mount. For me this is a good compromise position for all soft snow conditions; trees, wide-open faces and a little jibbing. If I was spinning more I’d go anywhere up to +5 and I think they’d still ski fine. If I only ever skied high-speed open faces I’d go around +1.5. Mine feel slightly hooky in wide-open spaces which is a little disappointing, but they’re still much nicer here than my old Super 7s. Not as pivoty in tight trees as the Super 7 but still workable, especially if you keep your speed up.
At my weight I’m pretty sure I could have gotten away with the 186 but I’m tall so short skis just feel weird. I consider myself a strong skier and the 193 is very manageable in tight spots. I consider it an everyday soft snow ski, not an all-out powder ski, and it works well for me all round.
Thanks for posting, Lorne. And I think you and I are on the same page, but I’m not sure. The way I might put it is: The Automatic is a fantastic pow ski (the deeper the better, actually) that also performs well as an everyday soft snow ski.
I skied them yesterday in 5 inches of fresh and I too choose not to detune a ski until I have skied it and this ski definitely needs to be detuned. I felt that having it at the team mounting point it was a but hard to find the right balance on the ski, to far back you wash out to far forward it would get pretty hooky so ill be taking them back out tomorrow in what’s forecasted to be another foot at mt hood and have my final verdict on if ill be remounting them to +2 or not.
Just saw some photos of the new Automatic at SIA. Do you know if there are any changes to the ski for next season besides graphics?
No changes in 13/14 to the Automatic or Bent Chetlers, Aaron, just the graphics.
I have a set of the 2015 Auto117s in the 193cm length. I started out at +2cm mountings, and went back to the factory line. I think they float and plane up on light snow so much better mounted there I was willing to sacrifice a tiny bit of maneuverability. (As a side note, at 6’1 and 245lbs, I need all the help I can get to stay on top on pow days… )
I got this ski 2 weeks ago and apon toying with the idea I decided to mount it at team. I’m 6’3″ 200 pounds and ever sense I have been staring at them wishing I mounted them +1. Here in the PNW we are waiting for snow and I hope I like them at team but I think they are gonna be hyper sensitive to mounting to the mounting position, any thoughts on how sensitive they are?
Hey, Jordon – I don’t have a whole lot more to add than what I wrote above, but I certainly preferred these at +2, while neither Joe nor Will felt compelled to mount more forward. So at this point, I’d just ski them and see what you think. Let us know…
My friend just bought the 193 Automatics with Dukes and I had a chance to compare them to my 2011 Bibby Pro’s (190 cm). Side by side the Automatics felt only a tiny bit longer, but when skiing in groomers the shovel felt distinctively longer (both mounted on the line). Could be because the Automatics have a longer and higher tip rocker profile?
And also I think that the Bibby Pro’s felt more stiffer and stable in high speeds…
Normally, Jake, more splay and a deeper rocker line would translate to a shorter feel on snow, not longer. Mostly, the Bibby is just a more center mounted ski than the Automatic. The Bibby is certainly stiffer, and like you, I do find the Bibby to be more stable at speed, though the tail of the Bibby contributes to this stability, too.
I also posted in the original Automatic thread, but this might be helpful for some readers here too. I’m 6ft4, 80kg (180lbs) and have about 20 days on my 193 Automatics now, mounted at +2.5 (the “Team” or “Recommended” line is -10.5 from cord centre, so pretty far back compared to the line on skis like the S7 or JJ). +2.5 is the centre of the camber and the centre of the sidewall section, so this made sense to me and looked right when eyeballing the mount. For me this is a good compromise position for all soft snow conditions; trees, wide-open faces and a little jibbing. If I was spinning more I’d go anywhere up to +5 and I think they’d still ski fine. If I only ever skied high-speed open faces I’d go around +1.5. Mine feel slightly hooky in wide-open spaces which is a little disappointing, but they’re still much nicer here than my old Super 7s. Not as pivoty in tight trees as the Super 7 but still workable, especially if you keep your speed up.
At my weight I’m pretty sure I could have gotten away with the 186 but I’m tall so short skis just feel weird. I consider myself a strong skier and the 193 is very manageable in tight spots. I consider it an everyday soft snow ski, not an all-out powder ski, and it works well for me all round.
Thanks for posting, Lorne. And I think you and I are on the same page, but I’m not sure. The way I might put it is: The Automatic is a fantastic pow ski (the deeper the better, actually) that also performs well as an everyday soft snow ski.
I skied them yesterday in 5 inches of fresh and I too choose not to detune a ski until I have skied it and this ski definitely needs to be detuned. I felt that having it at the team mounting point it was a but hard to find the right balance on the ski, to far back you wash out to far forward it would get pretty hooky so ill be taking them back out tomorrow in what’s forecasted to be another foot at mt hood and have my final verdict on if ill be remounting them to +2 or not.
Just saw some photos of the new Automatic at SIA. Do you know if there are any changes to the ski for next season besides graphics?
No changes in 13/14 to the Automatic or Bent Chetlers, Aaron, just the graphics.
I have a set of the 2015 Auto117s in the 193cm length. I started out at +2cm mountings, and went back to the factory line. I think they float and plane up on light snow so much better mounted there I was willing to sacrifice a tiny bit of maneuverability. (As a side note, at 6’1 and 245lbs, I need all the help I can get to stay on top on pow days… )