I’d like to know how it feels when you need to yank it around in tight couloirs and trees. Does 112 under foot feel like too much ski and would you prefer something around 98?
I’m thinking about mouting a king pin on that ski next year.
Have fun!
All that matters is how much dampness and stability they give up vs. Pure and Pure 3. A ton? A little?
Agree with Andy. If they’re 85% of the stability and 80% of the weight of the Pure3s, then I think we’ve got a winner. But if they give up a lot to shed that 300 g or so, then I’m not so sure it’s worth it unless you’re guaranteed nice, soft snow.
The 112 is a great ski for powder touring days, and loosing a few hundred grams probably makes it better for touring in balance. A ski in this category has several inherent disadvantages on the tour: it’s wide so there is a lot of skin drag, especially with non-mohair skins. It can accumulate a lot of snow on the top sheet, again because of width. The rockered tail is cumbersome on steep kick turns. I’ve got about 30 touring days on the 112 pure, so it’s not like I don’t enjoy their skiing qualities. However, there are easily three lighter, faster categories of ski/boot/binding “below” the 112s, and all of them are going to permit faster times in the up track and longer tours, all other things being equal.
Dear Josh, what combos do you have in mind? I’ll probably go for the Movement Shift or Conquest. Currently I have a K2 Sidestash which is great on everything, but I’m looking for something lighter for the uphills.
Cheers!
Great review!!! I was wondering, for a lighter BC only setup, between the BD Carbon Convert, Wailer 112 Tour1 or even maybe the Dynafit Grand Teton … anyone here could chip in? Looking for a fun ski, I’m skiing mostly short to medium turns at slow to medium speed … so no fast arcing turns and no big jumps either! I’m 158lbs and 5’9″ … Thx!!!!
When I look at the skis used by my friends who make short radius fall line turns, the euro-wiggle, I see a lot of 90mm and 100mm skis. People on 110mm and up skis are often making turns of varying radius, and typically ski a bit faster. The DPS 112 would compare to the Salomon q BC Lab. The other two would compare to G3 Synapse, Sportiva Vapor, Hi5, etc.
funny. Maybe it was the tune, or maybe the ski just plain sucks, but I thought the 112 tour1 was the least confidence inspiring ski ever. It lacked the stability to skate from the demo tent to the lift. I’d rate it as being slightly less stable than a marriage between two 16 year old coke addicts.
Basically if you are skiing on this near me, and there is the slightest chance of firm snow, or you plan on trying to make a quick turn, let me know so I can get out of the way of your soon to be flailing carcass as it comes tumbling down the mountain.
There are currently lighter, better, and cheaper options out there now, so just get one of those. Bonus they don’t suck as bad.
Have you guys been skiing these in the Southern hemisphere this summer? Any further thoughts on them? I already have Pure 112s and love them, curious how much of a performance sacrifice the Tour1s would be for a powder oriented (Wasatch) touring ski
I’d like to know how it feels when you need to yank it around in tight couloirs and trees. Does 112 under foot feel like too much ski and would you prefer something around 98?
I’m thinking about mouting a king pin on that ski next year.
Have fun!
All that matters is how much dampness and stability they give up vs. Pure and Pure 3. A ton? A little?
Agree with Andy. If they’re 85% of the stability and 80% of the weight of the Pure3s, then I think we’ve got a winner. But if they give up a lot to shed that 300 g or so, then I’m not so sure it’s worth it unless you’re guaranteed nice, soft snow.
The 112 is a great ski for powder touring days, and loosing a few hundred grams probably makes it better for touring in balance. A ski in this category has several inherent disadvantages on the tour: it’s wide so there is a lot of skin drag, especially with non-mohair skins. It can accumulate a lot of snow on the top sheet, again because of width. The rockered tail is cumbersome on steep kick turns. I’ve got about 30 touring days on the 112 pure, so it’s not like I don’t enjoy their skiing qualities. However, there are easily three lighter, faster categories of ski/boot/binding “below” the 112s, and all of them are going to permit faster times in the up track and longer tours, all other things being equal.
Dear Josh, what combos do you have in mind? I’ll probably go for the Movement Shift or Conquest. Currently I have a K2 Sidestash which is great on everything, but I’m looking for something lighter for the uphills.
Cheers!
Great review!!! I was wondering, for a lighter BC only setup, between the BD Carbon Convert, Wailer 112 Tour1 or even maybe the Dynafit Grand Teton … anyone here could chip in? Looking for a fun ski, I’m skiing mostly short to medium turns at slow to medium speed … so no fast arcing turns and no big jumps either! I’m 158lbs and 5’9″ … Thx!!!!
When I look at the skis used by my friends who make short radius fall line turns, the euro-wiggle, I see a lot of 90mm and 100mm skis. People on 110mm and up skis are often making turns of varying radius, and typically ski a bit faster. The DPS 112 would compare to the Salomon q BC Lab. The other two would compare to G3 Synapse, Sportiva Vapor, Hi5, etc.
funny. Maybe it was the tune, or maybe the ski just plain sucks, but I thought the 112 tour1 was the least confidence inspiring ski ever. It lacked the stability to skate from the demo tent to the lift. I’d rate it as being slightly less stable than a marriage between two 16 year old coke addicts.
Basically if you are skiing on this near me, and there is the slightest chance of firm snow, or you plan on trying to make a quick turn, let me know so I can get out of the way of your soon to be flailing carcass as it comes tumbling down the mountain.
There are currently lighter, better, and cheaper options out there now, so just get one of those. Bonus they don’t suck as bad.
Have you guys been skiing these in the Southern hemisphere this summer? Any further thoughts on them? I already have Pure 112s and love them, curious how much of a performance sacrifice the Tour1s would be for a powder oriented (Wasatch) touring ski