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2016-2017 Moment Tahoe

Moment Tahoe

Ski: 2016-2017 Moment Tahoe, 186cm

Available Lengths: 168, 178, 186 cm

Actual Tip-to-Tail Length (straight tape pull): 184.6

Stated Dimensions (mm): 123-96-112

Blister’s Measured Dimensions (mm): 124-96-113

Blister’s Measured Weight per Ski: 1,983 & 1,953 grams

Stated Sidecut Radius: 25 meters

Core Construction: Aspen/Pine + Carbon Fiber Stringers + Fiberglass Laminate

Tip & Tail Splay: 58 /  35 mm

Traditional Camber Underfoot: 4 mm

Mount Location: Recommended Line

Factory Recommended Line: -9.1cm from center; ~83.2cm  from tail

Boots / Bindings: Fischer Vacuum Ranger Pro 13 / Marker Jester (DIN at 10)

Test Location: Taos Ski Valley

Days Skied: 3

[Editor’s Note: Our review was conducted on the 15/16 Tahoe, which was not changed for 16/17, apart from graphics]

Described as their “low tide go-to,” the Tahoe is the narrowest ski in Moment’s all-mountain series, and the most firm-snow oriented ski in their whole lineup.

Moment says the Tahoe is made to rip corduroy and hardpack, but remain “stable in chop and easy to initiate in tight trees.” And with as many skis as we’ve reviewed from Moment in the last couple years, we decided it was about time we checked out the Tahoe.

Jonathan Ellsworth and I just put several days on it in mostly nice, spring conditions (and some fairly brutal not-yet-thawed-out ones), and while there’s still some skiing left to do on the Tahoe, we’ve learned a lot about the ski in this time.

Groomers

Three important things to know about the Tahoe:

1) The ski’s flex profile is decidedly stiff and quite uniform, with very little difference in stiffness between its shovel and tail.

2) The Tahoe has some tip rocker, but a not a huge amount. Otherwise the ski is fully cambered (three times, actually). The Tahoe’s “Triple Camber” profile involves a section of traditional camber underfoot, with “micro-camber” sections in front of and behind the binding, and a non-rockered tail.

3) The Tahoe has a stated sidecut radius of 25 meters. We’re used to seeing directional, big-mountain chargers in the 105-110mm underfoot range (skis like the Moment Belafonte and Blizzard Cochise) with sidecut radii around 25m, but that’s quite long for a 96mm-underfoot all-mountain ski. I can’t think of another ski in this sub-100mm underfoot class with such a straight shape, in fact.

The upshot? When it comes to carving turns on groomers, the 186cm Tahoe needs a LOT of speed before you can really lay it over into anything approaching a high-angle carve, and those carves are very big and fast. You can get the ski way up on edge and drop a hip close to the snow, but you’ll need a lot of space to arc the ski back and forth through full, round turns—and you’re going to be hauling.

Will Brown reviews the Moment Tahoe, Blister Gear Review.

Will Brown on the Moment Tahoe, Lower Stauffenberg, Taos Ski Valley.

By comparison, while the Liberty Helix is 105mm-underfoot (and so is more comparable to the Moment Belafonte in width) it also has a 25.5m sidecut radius, very similar to the Tahoe, yet it’s whole flex profile is softer than the Tahoe’s. It takes less speed and effort to start working / bending the Helix through full, complete carves, even though it has almost the same amount of sidecut as the Tahoe (a touch less, if anything). I never felt like the Tahoe’s stiff flex, on the other hand, was doing me any favors when it came to engaging its longer sidecut—it didn’t seem to come alive and arc across the hill much more readily than the Belafonte, in fact.

Though the Tahoe takes some real speed before it’s ready to make some legit carves—and again, those carves will be wide and fast—in no way is the ski lacking when it comes to edge hold. After bombing a couple groomer laps at Taos in soft spring conditions, I switched skis with Jonathan Ellsworth, who had been skiing the considerably more accessible Nordica Enforcer. After his first (irresponsibly fast) groomer lap on the Tahoe, Jonathan’s comment was: “That was intense!”

Yep, on half-decent groomers, you can pull some serious Gs on the Tahoe. In fact, if you want to feel like you’re really getting something out of the ski’s sidecut, you have no choice but to haul ass, and the Tahoe’s edge hold is downright tenacious. So when it comes to skiing groomers, I would not consider it an intermediate ski in any way. And the ski still feels very dependable on smooth, slick, windblown hardpack.

What about much slower, skidded turns on groomers? The Tahoe, as you might expect, isn’t dead easy to smear around at slow speeds. Their tails won’t slide out unless you tell them to, and that big sidecut radius, again, doesn’t do a ton of work for you, so the skis often felt pretty planky and bored at normal, moderate speeds. With a strong, forward stance and athletic, deliberate input, you can drift the Tahoes across the fall line quickly, but skis with a softer flex and more sidecut (like the Nordica Enforcer, for example) are definitely easier to noodle around.

The Tahoe also isn’t terribly wide, and the skis are pretty light, so in just a little bit of soft snow (even half an inch), they become noticeably easier to work through short, drifting turns.

Soft, Slushy Bumps

I had few complaints about the Tahoe in big slushy bumps on Taos’ lower front side, on runs like Spencer’s Bowl and Snakedance. They’re not as easy to pivot sideways between bumps as a ski with some tail rocker and/or a softer flex, but thanks to the Tahoe’s rather light swing weight and waist width, I was still able to do so quite quickly. Detuning the Tahoe’s tails a bit helped this, too—I hit the last ~6” of the ski with a medium gummy stone, and it made the tails a little easier to smear, though they still needed to be told what to do in tight bumps.

The Tahoe is a good, straightforward bump ski with what I might call a “light-yet-traditional” feel. You’ve got to stay on your game skiing big, tight bumps on the Tahoe, and that’s generally not too difficult to do. But if you do get lazy with a turn and get stuck in the back seat, you’ll know about it; the Tahoe’s stout flex simply doesn’t make it very forgiving if you do let its non-rockered tail take over.

Brutal, Refrozen Spring Snow

While there’s been some great, slushy spring skiing at Taos lately, on a few colder days the terrain on the upper mountain didn’t fully thaw out, even by mid afternoon. The bumps on one of our favorite runs, Reforma, as well as the steep chutes off the West Basin, were very firm, with a bumpy, ridged, knee-jarring texture. In those nasty variable conditions, while the Tahoe’s straighter shape and camber was lending the ski a good amount of edge grip at slow speeds, its light weight and stiff flex profile yielded quite a chattery and overly rigid feel if I tried to take a remotely aggressive line. The ski was not at all damp, especially at speed.

Will Brown reviews the Moment Tahoe, Blister Gear Review.

Will Brown on the Moment Tahoe, Stauffenberg, Taos Ski Valley.

To be fair, these were pretty brutal conditions. But I would bet that a ski with a heavier construction, and certainly one with a metal laminate in its core construction, would have been more stable. It’s been quite a while since I’ve skied any of them, but I would think a ski like the Volkl Mantra, or the Salomon X-Drive 8.8 would have fared better than the Tahoe on Reforma, for example. (I’m not certain that either of those skis are as easy to ski well in bumps as the Tahoe, though.)

13 Comments

  1. Chris Optics April 6, 2015 Reply

    “I can’t think of another ski in this sub-100mm underfoot class with such a straight shape, in fact.”

    Too bad you guys missed the chance to A/B this w/the now-dead 186 on3p tychoon; 26.5 radius, 96 waisted, and super underrated (and under-reviewed), and under-appreciated as a low tide/EC ski for someone who likes to go fast and knows how to turn a ski.

    Because…

    “I would bet that a ski with a heavier construction, and certainly one with a metal laminate in its core construction, would have been more stable.”

    Yeah, you would’ve won that bet.

  2. Blister Member
    Big K April 7, 2015 Reply

    Jonathan,

    what’s up with the ON3P relationship? Is it over? They self proclaim badassery but appear to have disappeared from supplying Blister skis for review, despite so many requests from your audience. How about a little Badassery insight?

    • Nope, not over – go check out our Facebook & Instagram pages (c’mon, you should already be following us, Big K!).

      But our job was to just create – then maintain – a level playing field. Now every company gets to decide whether or not they want to participate.

  3. Lindahl April 14, 2015 Reply

    Sounds like they stiffened it up quite a bit and shifted the mount point back. 2 of my main complaints about the old model:
    http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/255038-Review-2012-2013-Moment-Tahoe-180cm

    Sounds like the stiffer flex made it less damp though. Chop 5cm off that useless twin and you’ve got a sweet backcountry corn ski. Curious to try the new model.

    • DM April 16, 2015 Reply

      JE – did you guys end up skiing the 11-12 version? I had a set of the baby blue 186s briefly but had similar complaints to Lindahl – they seemed a bit lacking at speed and were mounted too forward). I’m curious to know if they current version is indeed more capable at speeds.

      • Will Brown April 16, 2015 Reply

        Hi DM,

        I put a little time on the 186 Tahoes you’re talking about a few season ago (baby blue with a dog-looking character on one of the shovels), and I definitely don’t remember them feeling as stiff as this 15/16 version. And while they weren’t awful at speed, the ones reviewed here are rocket ships in comparison. Hope that helps!

        Will

        • Totally agree with Will. The 15/16 Tahoe has nothing in common with those older baby blue ones. I didn’t spend much time on that ski, but thought it was so ‘Meh’ that we never even bothered to review it. It’s also why I think Will and I were so shocked by the new Tahoe. It did not seem to me that the new ski was clearly less damp than the old Tahoe (the old one didn’t strike me as all that damp anyway), but it is most definitely stiffer — and yeah, a freaking rocket ship on groomers.

  4. Ben April 29, 2015 Reply

    Hey blister, Marshall posted a few times and I started reading you guys again. Good job!

    After the season we had this year, I am looking for a new hard snow ski for Bridger. This ski will only be brought out in hardpack conditions and will hopefully be somewhat nimble as I like tight, steep chutes and zipperlines. So far the new Enforcer has been at the top of my list but a cursory read seems that you guys think its more of a variable conditions ski and to be lacking in edgehold. And then I saw this post and remembered how big of grin I had on a pair of Tahoes in low tide conditions last year at Brighton. So back to drawing board because those two skis are not very similar. I find the Tahoes to be damp enough fwiw, certainly more so than the PB&J. I am also a very light skier (120 soaking wet)

    Any suggestions on where my ski search should lead? And remember, the skis I go with will be strapped on my back and bootpacked regularly, weight is an issue.

    • Hi, Ben – I’m a little confused: you say you liked the Tahoe … so why not go with the Tahoe?

      And what we said about the Enforcer is that it wouldn’t be our first choice on ice – it’s too tip and tail rockered to compete with the edgehold of skis like the Rossi Experience 100. But get it in the least bit soft and it performs well.

  5. Jake May 27, 2015 Reply

    I put 20+ days on the 2014-2015 186 CM Tahoe this year in Colorado and with the strange snow year I am glad I bought them. My everyday ski the past few years has been the 189 Scott Punisher a ski I love but I wanted something to fly down groomers on, something that I could turn quicker and something to pound the bumps with when the snow was not fresh. My experience is very different but at 6′ 4″ and a strong 258 pounds and a forward stance skier I found the Tahoe did well in the bumps and had no speed limit on groomers. I could turn the ski much faster than the 25 side cut would suggest but then again I can bend about any ski. I skied the Tahoe in up to 8 inches of powder at Vail and Breckenridge and they did fine. Granted I would have preferred my Punishers I think most people would enjoy them up to 4 inches of new snow. So after reading Will’s review they are not for everyone but I have enjoyed them and since I have a three ski quiver, Tahoe, Punisher, and Megawatt they work for what I want bumps and groomers, they did fine in soft chop and 4 inches of powder. Funny how weight makes a big difference I can make these skis pop like slalom skis on groomed snow making short quick turns. I did get a good deal on these $350 new.

  6. willie June 11, 2015 Reply

    Sounds to me that the Tahoe kicked your butt a little, maybe you should stick with your big corporate ski brands like Salomon or k2, they make soft easy skis, I personally thought the Tahoe was a relative easy ski to charge on, but boring, unless ripping groomers all day is your thing.

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