2016-2017 Revision Subtraction

Pow

Revision bills the Subtraction as a full-on pow ski, and I’ve been blessed with the perfect conditions to test it as such.

Over the course of the review, I skied everything from a few inches of dust on a soft base, to a day where it skied 7” overnight and added another 10” during the day.

In everything short of that monster day, the Subtraction performed very well.

That tip taper, short radius, and rocker profile work together to make a ski that feels much quicker than a 116mm underfoot ski usually would.

Cy Whitling reviews the Revision Subtraction for Blister Gear Review.
Cy Whitling on the Revision Subtraction, Grand Targhee, WY.

The Subtraction’s liveliness made even shallower days very fun. It loves to pop off every nub and roller, and slash every stash. It rewards an active, dynamic skiing style, and is ready to play off of any feature.

However, on that monster day I mentioned earlier, where it snowed 10” before the lifts stopped rolling, I definitely found a limit to the Subtraction’s float.

The combination of deep, light snow, relatively flat terrain, and heavy fog (which limited speeds), meant that the Subtraction started bogging down, and burying the tips if I got too front seat. I ended up actually leaning on those tails and wheely-ing through flatter patches as I milked some of the best turns of my life.

To be fair, I don’t think too many other skis in this waist category would have faired any better. While they’re few and far between, those are the types of days that call for super fat, super rockered planks.

Cy Whitling reviews the Revision Subtraction for Blister Gear Review.Cy Whitling reviews the Revision Subtraction for Blister Gear Review.
Cy Whitling on the Revision Subtraction, Grand Targhee, WY.

That said, I would be very interested to see how the 194 cm Subtraction fares, since in addition to the length bump, it also gains 3mm in width all along the ski. And this ski is so easy, I wouldn’t be worried at all about this being too demanding. But overall, in anything short of epic pow, the 186 cm Subtraction performs very well.

Soft Crud (and Comparisons)

Here again, the Subtraction is a blast. As long as conditions aren’t too firm the camber underfoot helps it hold a decent edge, and it’s still ready and willing to pop off of everything.

However, that softer flex means that you’ve got to stay on your toes. It’s easy to wheelie out of landings if you’re not on your game.

By comparison, the Subtraction is much more poppy but much less damp and stable than the ON3P Jeffrey 114. It’s much easier to load the Subtraction’s tails and pop off features than on the Jeffrey, but the Jeffrey does a much better job of smoothing over crud and chop and providing a solid platform to stomp landings. If you’re looking for a chargier but still playful ski in this width, the Jeffrey 114 is a much better bet.

Cy Whitling reviews the Revision Subtraction for Blister Gear Review.
Cy Whitling on the Revision Subtraction, Grand Targhee, WY.

It’s also worth noting that, although the Subtraction is actually a little heavier than the Jeffrey, it’s got a lower swing weight, it feels much lighter and quicker on the feet than the Jeffrey 114.

This difference is a little less pronounced with the J Skis Friend, but it’s still definitely there. I swapped between The Friend and the Subtraction for an afternoon, and found the Friend to be a touch damper and more stable, while also feeling heavier and a little less poppy, especially in the air.

Firm Crud

These conditions are not the Subtraction’s forte, and as a powder ski, that’s not a big surprise. I found myself slowing way down, and picking my lines carefully as things firmed up. Its soft flex pattern and low swing weight work against the Subtraction here; the ski feels chattery—and short—at high speeds in firm conditions.

Cy Whitling reviews the Revision Subtraction for Blister Gear Review.
Cy Whitling on the Revision Subtraction, Grand Targhee, WY.

Again, a ski like the Jeffrey 114, The Friend, or even the 185 cm Atomic Bentchetler all offer a more stable, and predictable ride than the Subtraction, while sacrificing some quickness and playfulness.

Groomers

On soft groomers, the Subtraction is once again quick, and is fun to load up and launch out of a quick series of short-radius turns. In longer turns it is fine so long as the conditions aren’t too firm. It feels much quicker edge-to-edge than many narrower skis, including the Jeffrey 114, the J Skis Friend, and the K2 Shreditor 112.

Park

Since most of my laps at Grand Targhee involve passing through the park, I did take the Subtraction through the gamut of rails and jumps.

While I don’t really spin past 360, the Subtraction felt very light in the air, and initiating spins was intuitive. Shifties felt very good as well; there was never any of that hip-wrenching stress a big shifty would elicit from heavier skis. However, on colder days with icy landings, the tails of the Subtraction did have a tendency to wash out if I got backseat at all.

Of course, the Subtraction is a 116mm-underfoot pow ski, so it’s never going to be as quick as a skinnier, dedicated park ski. But it hides its size well.

Who’s it For?

If you’re looking to charge big lines while popping a few tricks along the way, there are plenty of skis better suited for that. However, if you love being in the air and just want to jump off of everything you can find, the Subtraction is the quickest, poppiest ski I’ve been on at this width.

And that quickness also lends itself well to skiers who find themselves skiing tight trees regularly—the Subtraction is very easy to pivot and slarve through narrow areas.

Bottom Line

The Revision Skis Subtraction is a good choice for the playful skier who’s willing to give up some stability in return for a whole lot of air time and fun.

 

 

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7 comments on “2016-2017 Revision Subtraction”

  1. Hmm, looks and sounds a fair bit like the Salomon Rocker and Soul7, any comparisons to those? Of what about the Sir Francis Bacon or Mordecai?

    More comparisons to the Shreditor?

    • Hey Slim,

      Unfortunately I don’t have any time on the Rocker or Soul7. The Subtraction is wider and heavier than the Soul7, and is oriented more as a freestyle twin.

      It falls between the Rocker2 108 and 122 width wise, and I’d bet float wise too. Just from hand flexing both of those skis I’d hazard the guess that the Subtraction is a little less damp and has more pop.

      I mentioned the Mordecai briefly, and would say that most of my comparisons to the J Skis Friend would also apply to the Mordecai, it’s damper, and more stable than the Subtraction.

      I don’t think the Bacon plays in the same space, it’s quite a bit skinnier, and thus quicker, the Subtraction does feel like a sized up Bacon in a lot of situations though.

      The Shreditor is the one ski I have the most time on, and while it actually hand flexes a tad softer (although mine do have a lot of days on them at this point), it’s damper, more rockered, and more stable. Part of that is definitely due to the length, I have the 189cm Shreditor, which measures long, whereas the 186cm Subtraction is only 183.3 cm tip to tail.

      So while the longer Shreditor is more stable, that extra rocker (and less camber) means it feels less hooky, and is more pivoty.

      Both of them are very easy to ollie off of anything just by loading the tails, but the Shreditor feels much heavier in the air, and is more stable on landings.

      Hope that helps!

      Cy

  2. We also got to test Revision’s Subtraction ski and can echo Cy’s findings. The Subtraction is “play play play”, definitely wanting to pop off everthing in sight with abandon…being fat enough to flash through soft crud with lots of energy. Some people might find it too darty and quick at high speeds in 3D snow, and a bit unsettled at warp speed on top of snow, but few skis are more fun to pound through freshies in the trees where quick reactions and energy are good things to have underfoot. This is a ski with a jib-bias, and a pretty darn good grip on harder surfaces when asked. It’s not a charger, but more of a mischievious bouncy funhouse kind of ski…lots of fun and leans toward agility rather than cruisability at its 116mm underfoot size. It seems to like being in the air as much as in the snow. The Subtraction is a poppy, energetic bird-dog of a ski in 3D snow…agile and energetic.

  3. Any comparison to Armada JJ? I’m looking for replacement for my 6 year old JJ’s.

    Seems to be in sort of same category (quick edge-to-edge, relatively soft, short radius, playful, lots of taper, similar dimensions)

  4. I”m currently looking into getting a pair of these…does the tip and tail rocker give them a sense of skiing shorter than their actual length? I”m about 5’11”, and am a bit torn between the 176 and 186

  5. Hi Cy,

    I have a pair of Subversions 176cm center line mounted. Once you hit some hard pack they get way squirrely
    trying to hold an arc. I’ve always had my skis “standard” mounted, though no standard line is marked on these skis,
    would that help the stability to mount them back a bit? Or is that center point the sweet spot designed for the ski?

    Thanks!
    Greg

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