3rd Look: MOMENT PB&J

Will Brown reviews the Moment PB&J for Blister Gear Review

Moment PB&J

Ski: 2017-2018 MOMENT PB&J, 188cm

Available Lengths: 162, 172, 182, 188 cm

Actual Tip-to-Tail Length (straight tape pull): 186.3cm

Stated Dimensions (mm): 129-101-121

Stated Weight Per Ski: 2,210 grams / 4.88 lbs.

Stated Sidecut Radius: 23 meters

Core Construction: Aspen/Pine + Carbon Fiber Stringers + Fiberglass Laminate

Boots / Bindings: Salomon Falcon Pro CS / Marker Jester / (DIN) 9

Mount Location: -4.25cm from true center, or 88.9cm from the tail

Test Location: Taos Ski Valley

Days Skied: 4

(Editor’s Note: Our review was conducted on the 11/12 PB&J, which was not changed for the 12/13, 13/14, 14/15, 15/16, 16/17, or 17/18 seasons, except for the graphics.)

Jonathan Ellsworth got in more days for his review of the MOMENT PB&J than I have, and in a wider variety of conditions. And given Andrew Gregovich’s thoughts on the PB&J (more from a park/freestyle perspective), a lot has been said about this ski already.

I’ve skied the PB&J only on hardpack, but I’ll try not to sound redundant in contributing my own thoughts as we build a more complete archive of opinions on the ski (though some points do bear repeating).

First off, I’ve been surprised with how solid, stable, and damp the PB&J is. The skis have a healthy amount of splay in their tip and tail rocker, yet, as Jonathan says, they’re also rather stiff. In the runout of many of Taos’ steeps, the shovels stayed quiet and the ride smooth. At a certain speed the PB&Js do get kicked around some—after all they’re only 101 underfoot and have a relatively short running length. But again, we’re dealing with a one-ski quiver, so performance balances are to be expected. The PB&J isn’t a big & heavy straight-line machine, but it is definitely capable of charging.

The ski’s stiffer flex profile and its stability on variable snow means that it’s not especially snappy elsewhere. The PB&J is certainly more damp than it is poppy. Riding switch on groomers, throwing 180s, and ollies are totally manageable and fun; however, if you’re looking to spend more time in the park and throw a lot of butters and presses, you’ll probably want a softer, lighter ski in the 95mm underfoot range.

Jonathan doesn’t speak directly to the PB&J’s carving ability, and Andrew skied it with fully detuned edges for the park.

I had the chance to get on the ski after a fresh tune. Given what I’ve said already about the ski, its groomer performance isn’t too surprising. With a good amount of camber underfoot it delivers some energy through a turn, though the effective edge does feel short compared to the ski’s 188cm material length. Thus the PB&J is not the most stable at super high edge angles, but can produce a nice carve that will suffice on those days full of high speed groomer laps. With a good amount of ski off the snow, the skis look like they would chatter quite a bit, but that isn’t the case thanks to the stiffer tips and tails.

I have noticed that the PB&J prefers a more centered stance. If you press the shovels too aggressively , especially in steeps, the tails will wash out a little. If you want a ski that is more stable, less forgiving, and way more directional, take a look at the MOMENT Belafonte; it can serve as a good everyday ski, but for a different sort of skier. The Belafontes’ stiff, traditional tails are much more locked down carving on groomers and blasting through crud, but they aren’t nearly as forgiving in bumps (where the PB&J can be a lot of fun) and can make high-speed switch carves pretty scary.

As Jonathan mentions, the PB&J is essentially a narrower Bibby Pro. To me, the most important feature of both skis is the camber profile. The balance of stability and playfullness on the Bibby is unmatched by any other pow ski I’ve ridden. The PB&J makes a killer all-mountain ski in large part because of the same “Mustache Rocker.” In bumps, I tend to forget that I’m riding a 188, yet the length becomes noticeable, and helpful, in rocking through crud. If you do find yourself in super deep, icy troughs, you might feel the PB&J’s tails hook up, but they’re not going to chuck you like the Belafonte often does.

The PB&J is a stiffer all-mountain ski that is just as happy to pivot and surf as it is laying down a solid carve. It’s capable of hitting tables in the park, but definitely feels more appropriate in more advanced, varied terrain. For my purposes, the ski is incredibly well balanced. It’s not awesome at making every kind of turn, but can make any sort of turn quite comfortably.

If you’re a strong skier, the PB&J can keep up with pretty much anything you can throw at it (outside the park), but isn’t too demanding either. I get asked all the time about good one-ski quiver options, and the PB&J is always one of my top recommendations.

75 Comments

  1. Trevor March 30, 2012 Reply

    Hi Will, thanks for another great review.

    Just got a quick question. I’m looking at a pair of PB&J’s for myself and might be able to score a good deal on a pair of 162’s. That being said I’m wondering if they size would be right for me. I’m only 5’4″ (163cm) and 110ish lbs, so I’m pretty small and really light. That being said do you think the 162 would be too short? However I have a feeling that the 172 would be to long for me.

    Thanks

    • Will Brown March 31, 2012 Reply

      Hey Trevor,

      The 188 PB&J is a perfect length for me (at 6’2 – 187cm). With that in mind, it seems like the 162 would be just fine for you.

      Thanks for reading!

      Will B

  2. Trevor March 31, 2012 Reply

    Thanks Will!

    Keep up all the stellar reviews!

  3. Trevor April 3, 2012 Reply

    1 more question Will, how does the PB&J compare to the Volkl Bridge. Mainly in edge hold, particularly in short, quick turns, ability to pivot in tight trees and bumps, and overall bump ability. Anything else you could throw in would be great, basically looking at these 2 for a one ski quiver set up.

    • Will Brown May 19, 2012 Reply

      Hi Trevor,

      I’ve on’y been on the 179 Bridge and the 188 PB&J, so I am a little hesitant to highlight very specific differences (The 187 Bridge would provide a more direct comparison). The Bridge is more similar – nearly identical really – to the Rossi Scimitar, which you might consider reading about too. The Bridge is a lighter, softer, and generally more forgiving and playful ski than the PB&J. Both the Scimitar and Bridge will pivot and smear at low speeds without much input, where the PB&J feels slightly sturdier underfoot and a little snappier on edge (thanks to its camber). The PB&J, Bridge, and Scimitar are all great skis. Which one you choose will depend largely on your ability, riding style, and the terrain you typically ski. Let me know more about what you’re looking in a ski and I can probably be more helpful.

      Cheers,

      WB

  4. Paul M August 9, 2012 Reply

    Hey Will,

    I’ve got a quick question on the PB&J’s, and I’m going to apologize in advance for the horribly old ski I currently have and would love to have a slight comparison to. Currently, I ride a pair of 05/06 Salomon Foils that have been absolutely beat to death. They’ve served me well, but when I’ve been able to get out west to places like Jackson and Telluride most recently, they’ve gotten thrown all over the place in variable conditions and are really, really unstable at speed on groomers (horrifyingly bad in comparison to the race skis I’m able to use on my ski team at school!). My goal for the PB&J hopefully is to have a single ski that successfully handle bigger mountains out west and be playful enough to deal with trees, steeps, handle itself in powder and some natural features too. I’ve read up on the Belafonte as well, but that seems like it would be a little too demanding for me considering I’ve only skied on skis far less than 100 width. I’m 5’7 and 140lbs, so I’m pretty short and light, so my preferred length I think is around 172cm. Would the PB&J in that length be a good choice? Thanks so much in advance!

    • Will Brown August 9, 2012 Reply

      Hey Paul,

      I know those Foils well and yes, they’re rather aptly named. The PB&J isn’t going to bite and rail like your GS race skis do, but they’re a far more stable ski than the Foil (both on edge and in crud). For what you’ve said you’re looking to do I think the 172cm would suit your needs very well. The Belafonte is a great ski, but it’s definitely less forgiving and isn’t what I would reach for first if I was looking to hit up some natural features.

      Having said that, we’re going to be getting on the Atomic Ritual (103mm underfoot), Salomon Rocker 2, 108 (108mm underfoot), and slightly narrower Nordica Soul Rider (97mm underfoot) in the next few weeks down in Las Lenas. Again, I’m sure you’d be happy on the PB&J, but it’s going to be interesting to see how those skis compare – maybe you’ll want to hold off on a purchase until we’ve weighed in on those skis? Just something to consider.

      Hope this helps!

      Will

  5. Paul M August 9, 2012 Reply

    Will,

    Thanks for the prompt response! That’s excellent, I’d love to hear more about skis that are similar, I’ll keep it tuned to the site for more info and then I’ll try and make an informed decision.

    Also, so jealous of you guys shreading in August, makes my cubicle look that much bleaker!

  6. David August 11, 2012 Reply

    How does it compare to say, the Volkl Bridge? Both look like a solid sub 100mm ski choice. I notice you have reviewed both. Any comparisons?

    Thanks

    • Will Brown August 13, 2012 Reply

      Hey David,

      The PB&J is more geared toward the advanced/expert skier where the Bridge and Scmitar are better suited for an intermediate (to be clear, an expert can have a lot of fun on those skis too). Trevor had the same question above – my reply there should help you out. Let me know what kind of skiing you’re mainly looking to do and I can probably be more helpful.

      WB

  7. Ryan September 15, 2012 Reply

    Awesome review, I love this site for ski beta.

    I’m having a little trouble deciding which skis to go with. I’m 22 yrs old, 160lbs, and 5′ 10″. I’m a good skier and really looking for a quiver of one that is super playful (already have a powder ski though). I like butters, switch, and hand drags as much as I like steep bumps, dropping, and getting a little puckered on the steeps. I definitely want something that is alright on the park and steeps, but is primarily a playful, fun skis for the days when there isn’t enough snow for powder boards. The s3 sounds like it may be a touch soft, but the PBJ sounds a little stiff for park. Is there a medium? I had looked at the Blends and the Kung Fujas but know less about those.

    Thanks,

    Ryan

    • Will Brown September 15, 2012 Reply

      Hey Ryan,

      If you’re primarily looking for a more playful, butter-friendly ski, I’d be hesitant to recommend the PB&J before the Rossi Scimitar. You CAN throw butters on the PB&J, but it’s not the ideal tool for jibbing around on those low snow days. The Scimitar is a ton of fun on hardpack and in bumps, but is still pretty dependable for venturing into the steeps. Maybe check our review of that ski out and see what you think?

      Cheers,

      WB

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    Andrew October 15, 2012 Reply

    Hi Will (and everyone at Blister) –

    I’m looking for a one ski quiver and (after many hours reading Blister reviews (VERY helpful), etc.) have now narrowed it down to the Volkl Gotama (which I don’t think you guys reviewed last year but I’m hoping you may now have an opinion on) and the Moment PB&J (although the Rossignol Sickle, Line 105, K2 Kung Fuja and Salomon Rocker 2 108 have all received lots of my attention recently as well). Whistler / Blackcomb, Kicking Horse, Lake Louise and Fernie are the mountains I generally get to in a year where I enjoy hunting for steep freshies (when available) but have had many variable days as well (often all within the same trip!) when I’ve resorted to mogul / tree / park runs for entertainment… I’m 6’2″, 200lbs and my current ski is the Dynastar Troublemaker from 2005 (hence the need for a well researched update)

    Any help you can provide would be much appreciated!

    Thanks!

    Andrew

  9. Dave October 17, 2012 Reply

    This ski sounds perfect for PNW. Does MOMENT have an identical one for women? My wife is rapidly “advancing intermediate” who has started on black diamonds and is progressing quickly??
    She was thinking Line Pandora sounded perfect till she read the PB&J.

    • Hi, Dave – Moment doesn’t make “an identical one for women,” but I see little reason why your wife couldn’t handle the PB&J in the length appropriate for her size. Having said that, Moment does make the “Bella,” and you can read our two reviews of that ski by Julia and Morgan. It’s an excellent ski—as is the Line Pandora.

      And please tell your wife that we want to hear which way she decides to go, and what she thinks!

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    Andrew October 17, 2012 Reply

    Actually, forget my last post for a second and let me ask a different question, Jonathan. PB&J or Bibby Pro and what length for an aggressive 6’2″ 200lb skier?

    Thanks!

    Andrew

    • Hi, Andrew – length is easy: at your size, 188 PB&J or 190cm Bibby. But as for which will serve you better, I don’t know. Is this a one-ski quiver, or something you’d pair with another ski for very firm days? Honestly, my hunch is that reading through the comments will likely go a long way to helping you arrive at your answer. But if you have a more specific question, happy to attempt an answer.

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    Andrew October 17, 2012 Reply

    Hi, sorry – going to be a one-ski quiver for now and used at Whistler / Blackcomb, Kicking Horse, Lake Louise and Fernie to hunt steep freshies (when available) but also on lesser days (likely all within the same trip) for mogul / tree runs, ripping the occasional groomer, etc. Your length recommendations are very helpful (thank you). I guess my other question is: which would you pick (if you had to pick one) for those uses, the PB&J or its fatter sibling (the Bibby Pro)?

    Thanks again!

    • If it’s steep and fresh, I’d opt for the Bibbys – no surprise: I’d rather ski a 118mm ski than a 101mm ski when it’s deep. Equally unsurprising, I’d rather ski the PB&J in really big, firm bumps, and maybe in trees, too, IF we are talking about really tight trees. You should check out my One-Ski-Quiver article if you haven’t seen it, but honestly, you’re going to have to decide where you most want this 1 ski to shine: bumps and tight trees (pb&j) or variable and deep (Bibby). Or you could just get both and be done with it. :)

  12. Andrew October 26, 2012 Reply

    I am torn between a number of skis. I want a ski that carves well, can hold its own on in the park occasionally, and floats in the pow too. I ski mostly Mammoth with trips to Jackson Hole and Whistler as well. I’m looking at the Moment PB&J, ON3P Jeronimo, Line Blend, and Armada TST (probably in that order). I’m a very aggressive skier, 5’8″ 165 and try to get off the trail to find trees and cliffs as much as possible. My current skis are Armada ARVs and I love them but I just beat the crap out of them and it’s time for them to retire. What are your thoughts? Thanks in advance.

    • Will Brown October 30, 2012 Reply

      Hi Andrew,

      I haven’t skied the updated version of the Jeronimo (which is 101 underfoot in the 186cm length), but plan to asap this season. The Blend is also high on the list. As you’re aware, the JMo and PB&J seem like very comparable skis, and I’ll be sure to make some direct comparisons in that review. For now, it does sound like the PB&J will suit your needs well, and I think you’d be happy with it. I wish I could be more helpful in offering some finer differences between those other very similar skis, but I need to put time on them first. Stay tuned!

      Will

  13. Cody December 13, 2012 Reply

    Hi Will-

    I ended up buying the pb&j’s and I absolutely love the ski. The problem is the topsheets are starting to delaminate around a few minor nicks in the shovels. Did you notice the same problem in the ski you reviewed? I’m just curious because I think I’m going to have to replace them but I dont want to get the same ski with the same problem. Thanks for your help

    Cody

    • Will Brown December 23, 2012 Reply

      Hi Cody,

      Sorry to hear about that. Our PB&Js have been around the block. They have a fair amount of wear and tear on the topsheets, but there’s no delaminating to speak of. If you bought your skis less than a year ago, you might be under Moment’s warranty. IF, that is, you think the damage is more extensive than “minor or cosmetic cracks or chips in the top sheet” (which it sounds like it is) or “normal wear and tear.” It might be worth contacting Moment and see what they have to say.

      Best,

      Will

  14. Michel January 5, 2013 Reply

    Hi! i am 1,843 193 lbs and I am going to buy new skis and i would like to know between Line SFb and Moment PBJ what ski will suit besr my need. I already have Head slalom ski for hardpack days and need a second pair for: trees, bumps-up trees, 4 to 15 in.powder days, good pop AND the best crud ski because powder don’t last long. Other suggestion will be well received.
    Thanks

    • Will Brown January 7, 2013 Reply

      Hey Michel,

      Both skis are certainly good options for what you’re looking for. The most important difference is their flex – the PB&J is a generally stiffer ski. I don’t know what your ability level is, but if you’re looking to do some aggressive skiing in chop and demanding conditions, I would advise going with the PB&J. If a softer, more forgiving flex is more of what you’re looking for, then the SFB might be more appropriate. Hope this helps!

      WB

  15. Adam January 26, 2013 Reply

    Will-
    I was on the Tahoe earlier this season and loved how it felt in the trees and its lack of a speed limit on icy groomers. But because I’m looking for a one ski quiver, I’m thinking that something fatter would be better. How do you think the PB&J compares to the Tahoe on groomers? (I’m sure it’s gonna be perfect for my style everywhere else)
    Thanks for the help.

  16. Will Brown January 30, 2013 Reply

    Hey Adam,

    The PB&J does have less effective edge than the Tahoe, so you will notice a more playful feel in general. On groomers, it won’t feel as stable, particularly through the tail due to a good amount of tail rocker (where the Tahoe is flat through the tail). Still, unless you’re looking to really lay the ski over in some super aggressive, high angle carves, I don’t think you’ll find the PB&Js edge hold too disappointing so long as you’re on reasonably soft snow. Hope this helps,

    WB

  17. Scot February 4, 2013 Reply

    Guys,
    Great reviews. I’m 5’9 170lbs, aggressive skier. Looking for a northeast and UT one ski quiver. I’m looking at the PBJ 182cm, Epic ripper 185cm, and Lib tech NAS Magic Horsepower 178cm. I want something I can slide around with my kids, but also go after the trees and bumps when I’m out with buddies. I appreciate your thoughts on my choices and sizes.
    Scot

  18. Will Brown February 6, 2013 Reply

    Hi Scot,

    I saw your same comment over on the Epic Planks Ripper review. I’ve responded there, but I’ll post my thoughts here as well (for other readers). I haven’t skied anything from the Lib tech NAS line yet (which should change this spring). I can speak to the Ripper vs. PB&J. If you were primarily looking for a serious all-mountain carver with a tight radius that can handle soft chop and crud, the Ripper is it. But, if you know you’re going to be skiing a good amount of bumps, I’d probably suggest going with the PB&J over the Ripper. The PB&J is on the stiffer side of things, but isn’t as stiff and unforgiving thanks to a softer flex underfoot and some tail rocker. I can ski bumps on the Ripper, but I need to be precise and powerful with my turns – the ski won’t let you get lazy or relaxed at all in big bumps. The PB&J is more forgiving in that respect.

    Now, the PB&J does have less effective edge though the tail and a more centered mount. You’ll definitely notice that carving on hardpack. it’s more playful in the bumps and trees, but not as stable on groomers. So, what’s something with a traditional tail that carves very well but isn’t as demanding as the Ripper? I think the Armada TST is something worth considering. It’s shaped similarly to the Ripper – you can rail the crap out of it thanks to awesome edge hold – but is lighter, softer and more forgiving in the tail. As long as you’re not looking to mach through chop and can be a little lighter on your skis, that seems like something you really ought to consider as an alternative to the Ripper (that has more tail than the PB&J).

    Cheers,

    Will

  19. Lise February 19, 2013 Reply

    Hi all,
    My son (age 21, 213lbs, 6ft1) has, unsurprisingly, grown out of his Armada Ar6s which he got about four years ago, when he was a lot shorter and lighter. He seems pretty keen on the Moment PB and J, but has also been considering (and this has been dictated by attractive discounts, as he is on a student budget) the Line Prophet 98, Elan 999Alu, Salomon Sentinel, Atomic Theory, and Salomon Rocker2 108, and needs to make up his mind soon before the cheap deals disappear. He doesn’t actually do any park skiing these days, and basically needs a one-ski quiver to handle what generally amounts to a lot of crud, with some groomer runs here and there. and very occasionally powder. He’s not a really hard charger, though likes to go reasonably fast, but I wonder if his bulk would be a reasonable substitute for aggressiveness when it comes to enjoying a stiffer ski? Hope this makes sense! If you think the PB and J would make a good everyday ski for him, what length would you recommend?
    Cheers, Lise

    • Will Brown March 1, 2013 Reply

      Hi Lise,

      The 188cm PB&J sounds like it could be a good option, for sure. If he didn’t care as much about how playful and freestyle oriented the ski is, then the Prophet 98 could be a very good choice too – that ski will be more directional, less playful, than the PB&J and will probably handle a little better in chopped up crud. Those two will do well, but have a different feel. The Salomon Rocker 2 108 would also be something to consider, but if he’s not going to be doing a whole lot of skiing on powder – I think I would take the narrower width of the PB&J, gaining a little quickness in bumps. Hope this helps!

      Will

      • Lise March 2, 2013 Reply

        Thanks Will, for your thoughtful and comprehensive answer (which I have passed on to my son). Great, informative website. Cheers.

  20. Lloyd February 25, 2013 Reply

    How did the PB&J compare to the Atomic Ritual?

    • Will Brown March 1, 2013 Reply

      Hey Lloyd,

      I can’t say, as I haven’t skied the Ritual, but my hunch would be that the Ritual is going to be a little more responsive on hardpack and hold an edge slightly better. The PB&J may be a bit more playful in deeper, softer snow due to more splay in the tip and tail and a more centered mount point.

      Will

  21. Steven March 9, 2013 Reply

    Hi Will,
    How would you describe the similarities and differences between the PB&J and the Atomic Access (181) or the Kung Fujas (179). I’ve skied those, but not the PB&J, so any information that enables me to compare or relate the PB&J with them would be great. I’m 5’9″ and weigh 215. I’m fit and am an experienced skier. Appreciate whatever perspective you can share. Thanks.

    Steven

    • Will Brown March 11, 2013 Reply

      Hey Steven,

      I haven’t skied the Access, but the Kung Fujas used to be my everyday ski. I can say that the PB&J is going to be stiffer and damper than both those skis, especially in the tips and tails. I think that would be the most important difference, which may or may not help you depending on your experience on the Access and Fujas. As for your question below about break width, I don’t think you should have a problem bending a 95mm break to fit a 101mm waist. Hope this helps.

      Best,

      WB

  22. Steven March 9, 2013 Reply

    On a side note…

    I’d really like to mount Look Pivot bindings on the PB&J, if I go ahead. The Looks offer a 95mm break and a 115mm break. Any thoughts as to whether the 95mm width might be able to work. The PB&J has straight sidewalls and measures 101mm, meaning that 3mm needs to be gained on each side. I think the 115 is just too wide, making the 95 the only potential option.

  23. Vail March 15, 2013 Reply

    Hey Blister, I got a lot of info from reading your reviews, but need to ask one question. I have been debating for the last week, whether to buy the Armada TST or Moment PB&J as my daily driver for Jackson Hole next year. I decided to go with the PB&J since I own the 192 Belafonte, and the TST just seems like a softer/thinner version of the bela, as a directional mid fat. I need something that I can take for laps in the park, but still rips all good stuff in Jackson. Now I have come to the problem of which size to buy…Im 6’3 180, Advanced/Expert and I need the PB&J to handle the tight stuff like trees and other tech terrain, Since the 192 belafonte will be used for all the wide open stuff. It seems the 182 PB&J will be the best choice for a trees and bump ski. At my height, Im just wondering if the 188 will still be “pivoty” and “turny” enough for trees, bumps, and super tight chutes. I dont want to go to short, neither too long. How did you guys feel the 188 was in trees and other tight stuff.

    • Will Brown March 19, 2013 Reply

      Hey Vail,

      You’re right on point about the PB&J vs TST. I’m 6’2″, and I never felt like I wanted to go shorter then the 188cm, at least not all the way down to a 182. Even though you have the 192 Bela for charging wide-open terrain, for someone who is 6’3″, and a little heavier than me, I think I’d still stick with the 188. Yes, a little less material might have been nice in super tight trees, but I have to think the 182 would be much too short on groomers and in wide open chop (the ski has a pretty short running length at a 188).

      Best,

      Will

  24. John Shaski March 30, 2013 Reply

    Will –

    I’m carrying this thread over from Johnathan’s Cochise page.

    I’m 5’8.5″ and 165lbs. I am an intermediate, skiing traditionally cambered mid-fats (178cm G3 Rapid Transits), telemark. I have read the reviews and advice offered on Blister by both Robin Abeles and Kate Hourihan.

    Recent experience with more active tele bindings (NTN) has been building my confidence and curiosity. I’m skiing faster, with more carving and with a more centered stance. How far could I go with my progress? What role might different skis and different ski design have on this process?

    While I am still curious to know how the Blister team would differentiate between the Cochise/Bibby Pros, I think ‘charging big lines’ is unlikely to ever become a habit for me. I prefer to lose myself in a succession of linked turns. Currently, to be that free, means low angle slopes. I’d like to change that.

    I’m well sold on the DPS 112RP for soft snow, all-mountain capability. Rocker/camber/rocker. What now for a balanced quiver of two?

    Sticking with the mid-fats, I’m intrigued by the full rocker design of the Rossi Scimitar and the rocker/camber/rocker design of the Moment PB&J. Is it as simple as declaring the PB&J a ‘charger’ and the Scimitar ‘playful’? Maybe a damp, fast running ski like the PB&J would convince me that speed can be fun too? Would they leave me too wanting in the ‘pivoty’, ‘forgiving’ department. It seems they both cover a lot of ground. Is there too much overlap between the DPS 112RP and either of these two?

    I’ve located a pair of 2011 Scimitars at 178cm. The top sheet art from 2013 is just too gawd-awful to even consider. And I found a pair of PB&Js (also 2011?) at 182cm. Both are appropriately discounted.

    Would you folks kindly weigh in on the ‘fit’ either of these skis might make for me?

    • Will Brown April 8, 2013 Reply

      Hi John,

      The PB&J and Scimitar could be good options to have for the firm hardpack days when you would want something a little narrower than your 112s – maybe for polished bumps, tight trees, or if you wanted something a little quicker edge to edge. Both the Scimitar and PB&J are playful, but the PB&J has a bit more of a backbone to it. It will feel a little heavier and stiffer than the Scimitar in the shovels, and has much more dramatic splay in the tip and tail rocker. As a result of the Scimitar’s very mellow full rocker, I think you’d probably find it a little more predictable and intuitive on smooth, consistent snow, but the PB&J will probably get through cruddy, chopped up snow without getting kicked around quite as much as the Scimitar might. Those are the main differences between the two, but I think either could work, depending on what sounds more appealing to you. Hope this helps!

      Will

  25. Dennis April 26, 2013 Reply

    I am looking for a all mountain ski, I ski in summit county Colorado mostly. The back Bowls @ Vail, The upper peaks @ Breck, the Outback @ Keystone and the steeps @ A-Basin. I have been skiing an older pair of K2 Obsethed, 105 cm under foot with tip and tail rocker. I am 6′ tall and 175 lbs. I could care less about groomer performance as I am only on those to get to the goods. I was thinking of the S3 in a 186cm or the PB&J in a 182cm I like a lively snappy ski that will be a little quicker edge to edge than the Obsethed. I ski 40 days a year and have a pair of S7’s for the too few deep days.

    • Will Brown May 6, 2013 Reply

      Hey Dennis,

      Either ski could suit given what you’re looking for, though the S3 is going to be more forgiving than the PB&J in terms of flex – the PB&J will feel a little heavier and stiffer than the S3 in the tails and shovels. Though it also has a more centered mount the caters to a less traditional stance than the S3, the PB&J will probably get through cruddy, chopped up snow a bit more easily. Those are the main differences between the two, but I think either could work, depending on what sounds more appealing to you. Hope this helps! (And I think, at 6′ tall, I’d suggest going with the 188 PB&J – that length skis very short given the ski’s rocker, so I worry that the 182 would get a little squirrely at high speeds.)

      WB

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    Jim June 22, 2013 Reply

    Will, thanks for the very informative review, and thanks to all for taking so much time to respond to questions with practical and thoughtful comments.
    Wondering if you think the PB&J would be a good choice for a two-week trip to Austria & Switzerland next season. While I love my Praxis Protests up in Hokkaido, they’re probably not ideal for the variable conditions I’ve been promised. Have been looking at skis 95-100 underfoot — Fischer Watea 98 BC (or older Watea 94) Elan 999 Alu, Nordica Hell & Back. Is the PB&J a good prospect? Any others you’d recommend?

    • Will Brown July 7, 2013 Reply

      Hey Jim,

      Not a problem – thanks for reading! If we’re talking firm variable conditions, I’m not sure the PB&J would be on my list, as I’d want something with more effective edge and support through the tail. I think the Volkl Mantra or the Nordica Hell & Back would fit the bill very well. You might take a look at Jonathan’s review of the Hell & Back, where he gives some comparisons to the Mantra. Hope this helps, and let us know what you decide to go with and how it works out.

      Best,

      Will

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    Jim July 8, 2013 Reply

    Thanks so much, Will. Yes, I’ve gone through Jonathan’s H&B review, as well as many others, and am leaning toward that ski if the Europe trip goes ahead (and maybe even if it doesn’t).
    Greatly appreciate the site, please do keep up the good work.
    Jim

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    Jim July 9, 2013 Reply

    Also, any hope of seeing a review of the Praxis 9D8?

    • Will Brown July 21, 2013 Reply

      Hey Jim,

      We don’t have a review of the 9D8 lined up a the moment, but we’ll add it to our hit-list.

      All the best,

      WB

  29. Roder July 30, 2013 Reply

    Would love to see a 9D8 review as well!

  30. Quaid August 2, 2013 Reply

    Hey Will,
    I am looking into getting the PB&J but am not sure if it is right for me after reading your review. I am an expert skier who wants to hike backcountry (waist high powder) every now and then, but stay in the park and bumps when their is crappy snow conditions. I am 16 years old, 5′ 11″ and weigh about 145lbs. Would this ski fit my skiing ability? or what other ski would be good for a one ski quiver? and also would they be light enough to hike with?

    • Will Brown August 3, 2013 Reply

      Hi Quaid,

      You could go with the PB&J, but I think it would be worth your time to look into the Nordica Soul Rider too – it’s going to be softer and more buttery than the PB&J (better for playing around in the park), and will probably handle rails better. On the other hand, it won’t be quite as damp as the PB&J if you’re looking to ski hard in chop.

      The 184cm Line Sir Francis Bacon would also be a really good option. It’s little wider, however, so it’s going to get you a little more float, but be less nimble in the park.

      Between those two and the PB&J, I think you’ll find something great for what you’re looking to do. They’re all suited for the job, but each is going to favor different areas. Hope this helps!

      Will

  31. Eric September 30, 2013 Reply

    First I’d like to say I love the site, you guys do great work!
    Based on your guys reviews I bought the pbjs. Id consider myself a decent skier, higher intermediate maybe lower advanced. 6′ 185lbs. I ended up getting the 182s, and I’m starting to worry that I bought the wrong size. I appreciate going pretty fast on groomers, I’m normally going faster than everyone else by a lot. My old skis were the 179 K2 extremes (the re-skinned public enemies) which I understand are pretty soft. They are also the only skis I’ve ever used. I live in Ohio, but go out west once a year, where I get into the trees and powder as much as I can. I guess my question is, will stiff short effective edge, feel similar to soft longer edge?

    • Will Brown October 4, 2013 Reply

      Hi Eric,

      That’s an interesting question, and the answer isn’t too straight forward. I’d say no, not necessarily. It depends on the conditions, how soft and how stiff the two skis are, and how long/short their effective edges are, respectively.

      Say you have a very soft ski with full traditional camber (long effective edge) that felt like a chattery noddle under your feet at speed in chop. Even though it had a lot less effective edge, the a rockered STIFFER ski might actually feel more dependable in those same conditions.

      BUT if you’re skiing groomers, then flex wouldn’t factor in as much, and the softer ski with more edge contact might feel more stable and predictable than the stiff ski with much less edge contact.

      Flex and rocker profile (which dictates effective edge) work together to determine how a ski feels. One combination might feel very stable in one type of conditions, but sketchy in another. (Or course there are extreme cases – Yes, a super rockered out ski, no matter how soft or stiff, isn’t going to feel great on groomers)

      What’s making you feel you’re on the wrong size PB&J? What are you experiencing that you’re not liking?

      Will

  32. Eric October 5, 2013 Reply

    Thanks for the response! Very helpful.
    I haven’t mounted them yet, so this is all speculation/over-thinking on my part. I guess I just need a second opinion whether or not skiing the 182s given my height and weight (6′ 185lb) is a bad idea (I don’t want to feel like I’m about to get thrown over the front of the skis). I’m on the east coast, but these are mainly for going out west and finding powder/trees, but I’m expecting a lot of groomers in between, of course. I understand there are trade offs with skis like this, just trying no to ride a blatantly ‘wrong’ size.

    Thanks again!

    • Will Brown October 15, 2013 Reply

      Hey Eric,

      I’m thinking you might be right. I’m an inch or two taller than you, and about 20lbs lighter, and though I’ve never skied the PB&J in a shorter length than the 188, I really don’t think I want to. As I remember, the 188 felt short/maneuverable enough for me even in pretty tight bumps. On groomers, “the effective edge does feel short compared to the ski’s 188cm material length. Thus the PB&J is not the most stable at super high edge angles, but can produce a nice carve that will suffice on those days full of high speed groomer laps”.

      All and all, between the two of us, weight difference is probably more influential than a height. So if I felt that way about the 188, and that I’d probably prefer it over the 182, I can’t imagine you’d feel any differently, though they may take some getting used to from your K2s.

      Hope this helps!

      WB

  33. Connor November 10, 2013 Reply

    I am looking at a pair of pb&js (2014 model) and I can’t decide if their right for me. I ski at jay peak in Vermont and we actually get a good amount of snow there. I ski mostly trees and some non grows terrain. Bit u still need good groomer perfoamnce. I want a ski that can meneuve the trees, slay in those those powder days, and rip on the groomers. I want something that is easy to ski and will be very playful for a teenager. I am a high intermediate to advanced skier and am 5’11” and 140 lb. is this right ski for me and why? Which size would you recomend. Thank you

  34. Will Brown December 5, 2013 Reply

    Hi Connor,

    The PB&J is definitely in the ball park for what you’re looking to do. It’s not the most locked down on groomers (even on pretty friendly, West coast groomers), but no ski that is as playful will be. It’s great in the trees, and does well in fresh and chopped up pow. I’d be inclined to tell you to go with the 188cm size, because the amount of rocker in the tip and tail will make it ski much shorter. I think you’d find the 182 would start to feel a little sketchy at speed through uneven snow.

    Hope this helps! And sorry on the delayed reply.

    Will

  35. Mark Kaeck February 3, 2014 Reply

    Love your website. For this year I purchased the Moment Bibby Pro in 190 cm based on your reviews. I love them. They turn very quickly but are also very stable. I also own three pairs of race skis for groomers and some older all mountains (Volkl AC4 and Line Prophet 100 (Pre-Rocker)). I am 5’10” and about 235 lbs, but very strong. I am thinking about my next pair of all mountain skis. I live in Colorado near Boulder. My short list is the Moment PB&J and the Blizzard Bonafide. I realize that the Bonafide is the more directional ski. I like to ski trees (for Powder) and want something that will handle quick turns as well as be stable and handle steeps. I have skied Taos (my brother lives there) and love Staffenburg, Billy Sol, etc. Which of these skis would your recommend more highly? My brother skis Montras (his only ski), but I would like something quicker in bumps and trees, as I have my race skis for groomer days (mostly at Eldora). Thank you.

    • Will Brown February 15, 2014 Reply

      Hey Mark,

      Seeing as you already have set of race skis and those Prophets (directional all-mountain), initially I was thinking the Bonafide would be a bit of a redundant purchase, but now I’m thinking you’re right to have it in mind. It is going to have a significantly looser feel than any of the skis you own, for quickness in trees and bumps, while still providing some dampness and stability in the steeps off the Ridge. The PB&J would also be an option, but it is a very different sort of ski – much more center mounted with a lot more tail rocker, as you know. The PB&J would be even quicker and more playful than the Bonafide, but I don’t think it would provide the stability in the steeps it sounds like you want (lacking a metal laminate, and having such a short effective edge). Plus, if you’re not looking to spin and ski switch, I don’t think you’d find the more forward mount on the PB&J all that useful.

      Best,

      Will

      • Mark Kaeck March 4, 2014 Reply

        Hi Will,

        Really good input. The reason I am starting to look is that my Line Prophet 100s and Volkl AC4s are starting to age. I would probably keep them for a while as rock skis, but I am more looking for a replacement that would work for both. The Blizzard Bonafide sounds like a better option based on your comments. When you say looser, does that mean they will have a less positive feel when carving on harder snow? This is an issue with the Bibby Pros, but is worth overlooking on soft snow days. Also, the loose feel of the Bibbys is kind of nice when making quick turns in soft bumps, even though it goes against my inclination to always carve my turns.

        I also noticed that the Moment Belafonte, Blizzard Cochise, and new Line Supernatural series are well regarded by your website. However, given that I have the Bibby Pros, I am thinking I should go narrower for an “All Mountain” that will handle the groomer run sections better on non-powder days in which the bump runs are open (no race skis). If a ski slightly wider than 100mm would truly tip well into a carve on hard snow, I would consider it. The Bibby Pros do not.

        Thank you again for your comments.

        Mark

        • Mark Kaeck March 6, 2014 Reply

          By the way, I thought I would mention that if I am not skiing in Powder, I prefer to carve my turns as opposed to sliding, slarving, or any other new age term for a type of turn that is not carved. I realize in a Cognitive sense that other types of turns are acceptable alternatives but I have emotional issues when they are applied to my turns. It must be the race background in my early life. This applies to all non-Powder conditions, including bumps and trees.

          • Will Brown March 22, 2014 Reply

            Hey Mark,

            Sorry about my delayed reply. I still think the Bonafide would be a good choice considering what you want out of the ski. And when I say “looser” I mean the ski is going to swing into a turn a bit more easily than your AC4s. You’ll still be able to make aggressively carved turns, but you’ll be able to initiate turns where you’re skidding the tails some a little more easily and more quickly, making the ski a little more manageable in trees and bumps. To be clear, again the Bonafide won’t have nearly as loose and smeary a feel as something like the PB&J, which can be carved too, you just have to be bit more gentle with it as the edge will break free easily.

            Hope this helps!

            Will

  36. Doug February 11, 2014 Reply

    Picked up a pair of these skis. They’re pretty nasty. I’ve skied every thing from knee deep powder, chop, heavy crud and corn on these. I’m pretty happy so far. While they do it all pretty damn good I would say for me they shine best in the afternoon on a powder day. A 5’11” and around 160 lbs the 188’s feel pretty stiff and I would say they ski more like a big mountain ski than a more playful ski. My one complaint is that the top sheets aren’t the most durable. My tips are already starting to get mangled from the tip attachments on my skins after only a few laps in the bc.

  37. Greg March 11, 2014 Reply

    Hey Will,

    Great review and great site. I grew up skiing and then switched to snowboarding 15 years ago and now I’m switching back to skiing. From looking at every possible review I can’t seem to find a ski that will suit my needs and everyone gives me different opinions. I’m 5’11 and 175lbs, I live on the East Coast and do almost all my skiing here with about 2 weeks spent out west in Tahoe with family. I’m looking for an all mountain ski like the PB&J but I feel like the PB&J might be too much ski for me seeing as I’m just getting back into it. Other’s have said to look at Line’s Blend ski or the Nordica Soul Rider but I’m not a park rider, I’ll be skiing groomers, glades and tree’s, also powder but that’s when we’re lucky enough to get it. I basically want a one quiver ski that I can use here on the East Coast but also take on my trips out West. I know once I get back on the ski’s after a few days I’ll feel comfortable again. So what size and ski would you recommend for me?

  38. Greg March 11, 2014 Reply

    I forgot to add the Line Sick Day 95 and also the fact that I’m looking for an All Mountain Twin tip ski.

    • Will Brown March 22, 2014 Reply

      Hi Greg,

      Yea, I think something a little more directional with less or zero tail rocker (but still twin tipped) would make sense for you of you want to make sure the ski can handle firmer East Coast conditions. The Line Sick Day and Supernatural 100 (new for 14/15) come to mind as likely good options, but I haven’t had the chance to ski either one of those, unfortunately. Of the skis I’ve tested the Armada TST comes to mind, but unfortunately the ski only comes in two somewhat problematic sizes: 183 (too short for your height) and a 192 (which is probably longer than you need). You might check out my TST review and see what you think, still. It’s not really twin-tipped, but you might check out Jonathan and Jason’s reviews of the Blizzard Kabookie too and run the question by them. Hope this helps!

      Will

  39. Quaid March 16, 2014 Reply

    Dear Will,

    I have read a ton of your reviews and really respect your opinion. I have a question for you. I commented a while back on this same review asking if I should get these skis, which I did, and I LOVE THEM!!! I cannot say any more than they kill it everywhere!!! The only thing is that I now need a touring setup. I was wondering, what would you think to be the best/lightest option for putting some salomon gaurdians on?
    I was looking for a ski that has maybe the same rocker in tip as in tail (can be less in tail) and was around 115 underfoot. What ski would ski like my PB&J’s, but with a little more float and the same weight(ish) for touring. Oh and I am an expert skier who weighs 160 and is 5′ 11″. Any ideas would be appreciated

  40. Quaid March 16, 2014 Reply

    and also I want them to be able to be used for resort powder days too.

    • Will Brown March 22, 2014 Reply

      Hi Quaid,

      In general, finding a ski that’s 115mm underfoot, but the same weight as the narrower PB&Js is going to be tough – more material = more weight. But if you’re looking for a lighter-weight ski with a playful rocker profile, I’d definitely check out the Moment Exit World (in may ways it’s based off the same camber/rocker profile as the PB&J) and maybe the Line Mr. Pollards Opus.

      Cheers,

      Will

  41. Gabe September 12, 2014 Reply

    Hi Will,

    Another sizing question. I’m 5’11” 180-185lbs but only an intermediate skier (after many years on a board). I’ll ski both east and west and want to use the PB&J for a little of everything as I improve my skills. Will 182 be too short for me, can an intermediate handle the 188? I’ll be skiing some powder, trees, groomers, etc, not much switch or park though.

    • Will Brown September 13, 2014 Reply

      Hey Gabe,

      No, I don’t think the 188 would be too much for an intermediate to handle. Especially since you’re looking to ramp things up with this ski, I’d give the nod to the 188. As you improve, I worry that the 182 would start to feel too short.

      Best,

      Will

  42. Jared February 8, 2016 Reply

    Will,

    I realize this post is a bit dated but wanted to get some thoughts from you. I currently ride the 184 deathwish but want something a bit narrower for ripping around on hard pack/chundery days. I ski snowbird and want something I can take into the amphitheatre on Baldy and feel confident with. I’m leaning towards the 188 even though I only measure in at 5’8″. The mounting position for moments really seems to take away a lot of the tip length. Did these seem to ski short? Any thoughts or words of wisdom?

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    Amir March 17, 2017 Reply

    Any chance you can compare the PB&J to the Wren 98? Which one would make more sense as a West Coast daily driver (paired w/ Bibbys for deep days).

  44. Kelsey August 7, 2017 Reply

    Will,
    I haven’t had the opportunity to get new skis in close to 10 years, and I have been looking for a ski that can do it all when I go on yearly ski trips out west and also be fun to mess around on at my home ski area in the Midwest. I’ve been doing a lot of research, and I’m stuck between the pb&j and the j skis the metal. I really just need a versatile all mountain ski that I can do some big lines, ski pow when I can, perform decently on hardpack, and have some fun on regardless of the snow conditions. I don’t ride park but love finding side hits, dropping cliffs, etc whenever possible. I don’t really ski switch much either. I really like skiing in relatively tight trees and ski bumps a lot too. The only other skis that I have owned are some 171 cm 2008 line chronics that are way too small for me now at 6’2 and about 190 lbs so I am really looking for some advice about these two skis. Any help would be appreciated.

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