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Base Repair 101

It’s always disappointing to wrap up a great day on the hill, only to find a big ol’ gash in your base.

Fortunately, however, it’s usually not that big of a deal. Many of the dings and gouges in your bases can be repaired with some inexpensive equipment and a bit of know-how. After reading this article, you should be able to handle simple, small base repairs. And since it’s low-tide in many places across the globe right now, chances are good that you’ve had some encounters with a rock or two at this point in the season.

Base damage core shot, Blister Gear Review

Look familiar?

Note that by “small repairs,” we mean most gouges and scrapes that are smaller than a quarter. If the base gouge is any larger, especially if it’s down to the core material of your ski/board and along the edge, you may want to go to your local shop and request a base weld (which should cost approximately $20–30). Though it is possible to do base welds on your own, at home, shops have specialized equipment that makes the job easier. Below we’ll say more about base welds vs. the easier fixes you can do at home with what’s called a P-Tex candle.

 

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16 Comments

  1. Jeff March 27, 2012 Reply

    Couple things:

    1) You make no mention of wearing a mask or having proper airflow while doing p-tex repair. Although it probably won’t kill you, breathing p-tex fumes is very bad for your health.

    2) Most P-Tex candles, although better than doing nothing, are not designed for “core shot” type repairs. For this, there are a bunch of other products and techniques to increase the chances of it holding. Your standard P-Tex candle is NOT the BEST tool for the job.

    • KB March 27, 2012 Reply

      Jeff: Good point about ventilation. I always wondered why one of your eyes twitched whenever you hear George Michael songs. P-tex fumes are something to be avoided in large quantities and I know just speaking for myself, I’d never want to ruin the pleasure of my Wham vinyl collection. It’s just too risky and I feel bad you’ll never be able to enjoy “Careless Whisper” like you once did. But I think most people will realize some breathing room is a good thing as soon as that candle fires up.

      As far as size of repairs being dealt with via candles…it just depends on the repair. I’ve filled plenty of core shots with candles and have never had one rip out. (So have lots of other people…for years). Sure extruders/base patches/repair guns might be needed if it’s a bad one but candles are cheap and it’s worth trying before dropping more money in a shop. There’s no ‘given’ that a candle repair won’t work.

      Nice write up Sam!

    • Thanks for the comments, Jeff, and you’re right—we’ve added a word about ventilation. As for wearing a mask, certainly if you are using high-fluoro waxes and either waxing or dropping hot p-tex on there. But if you don’t use high-flouro waxes (like 99% of the population who aren’t racing), then working in a well ventilated area or opening a window—especially for the “smaller than a quarter” sized repairs this article addresses—is a good practice.

  2. Va Ki Bo March 27, 2012 Reply

    From my personal experience – TOKO Base Repair Powder
    ( http://www.toko.ch/en/products/tools/base-tuning/repair-powder-40g-transparent )
    is much-much better than burning candles (requires hot Iron, so for indoor use only)

  3. Jason Martin March 27, 2012 Reply

    Great article and this brings me back to my days of doing all my own base repairs. Good tips and this will get the job done for sure. This will also help people realize just how easy it can be with a little instruction. Thanks Blister

  4. Neil April 1, 2012 Reply

    You state that a red or orange flame is getting too much oxygen and burning too hot and that ideally the flame should be blue. A blue flame would actually be hotter and using more oxygen than a red/orange flame and presumably is better because it is burning cleaner. A flame giving a red/orange colour suggests that there is unburnt or partially burnt material in the flame and these could be responsible for the black flecks you then find in the repair.

    • Sam Shaheen April 1, 2012 Reply

      Neil, you are definitely correct. The blue flame will be the hottest part of the flame while a red/orange flame will not be as hot. The red / orange color is typically a sign of partial / incomplete combustion. The wording in the article is perhaps a bit misleading so let me try to clear it up here.

      The idea with holding the tip of the candle as close to the base as possible (and slowly spinning the candle as well) is to control the rate of oxygen transfer to the flame more than to control the temperature. By controlling the rate of oxygen transfer to the reaction, we can also control the rate at which the hydrocarbons (and additives) are combusted. When the flame gets more oxygen, (ie, you move the candle from the base or stop spinning the tip) oxygen is no longer the limiting reactant in the combustion. What limits the combustion then begins to be the availability of hydrocarbon. When oxygen is no longer the limiting reactant the flame has a tendency to spread out in a sense. It is looking more material to burn because now it has enough oxygen. It begins to burn in a less controlled manner, though not technically hotter than the blue flame, but the candle is exposed to more heat overall. You only want to be liberating the polymer at the tip of the candle. When the flame tries to consume more hydrocarbon than it has oxygen for, you get partial combustion and small black flecks in the repair that are by products of combustion. By keeping the combustion localized to the tip, you get more complete combustion and a cleaner repair.

      I know that isn’t the most complete explanation, the process is actually fairly complex and involves a decent amount of chemistry. Let me know if you still have questions though, and I apologize for the vague wording in the article!

      -Sam

  5. Neil April 1, 2012 Reply

    Sorry Sam the chemist in me couldn’t help commenting. Thanks for clarifying.

  6. Bob May 30, 2012 Reply

    Thanks for the info. I’ve never concentrated on spinning the candle before. Repairs will be better in the future.

  7. Ryan October 26, 2012 Reply

    A drip p-tex candle is the wrong way to repair an edge core shot. Those candles don’t stick to fiberglass or the metal edge, It will probably rip out the next day You need something to bond the ptex to the base fiberglass and metal edge, epoxy or metal grip is the only way to make it a permanent bond between the surfaces.

    Keeping the burning candle as close to the repair as possible is to minimize carbon buildup, a blue flame is hotter because it’s a controlled amount of oxygen. When fire gets more oxygen than it needs it wants to spread out to grow and consume more combustible material. That why it’s large and orange/red. You don’t want to minimize the temperature of the candle but get it as hot as possible to burn clean and efficiently (reduce carbon) and to keep the ptex drip molten while it somewhat bonds to the ptex base.

    A ptex drip candle is only effective on a non core shot where the original base is still in tact, and even then it’s unlikely that it will become a permanent bond, most likely have to fix it on a yearly bases if it’s a decent size chunk. Get a core shot at the hill, fix it to prevent water damage with a drip candle then get it fixed properly when you have the opportunity.

    • Sam Shaheen October 27, 2012 Reply

      Hey Ryan, thanks for your comment.

      You’re correct that large base repair is better done with other techniques. The idea with this article is to get the reader familiar with the ptex candle because it is a cheap and easy fix that can solve some (not all) issues. It’s easily accessible to the average skier.

      For the note on flame temperatures, you can read my response to Neil above. The concept is just a bit above a 101 article, hence the simplified explanation in the article. Thanks for your feedback!

  8. Maciej January 23, 2015 Reply

    I’ve always found that for deeper gouges, filling in one go (this article is unclear about how many layers to apply) tends to lead to weak repairs. The heat of a large glob of ptex makes for a brittle repair, and I’ve even seen big fills burn until put out.

    It’s far better to apply several thin layers, with a few minutes between applications. Also, to avoid pulling out a fresh base repair, scrape from the center of the patch out one way, then the other.

    A final note-ptex from a candle functions like extruded (rather than sintered) base material and isn’t as strong. For core shots, the epoxy fortified ptex sticks a base welder uses yield a MUCH stronger repair.

  9. Mike March 30, 2015 Reply

    Hey everyone, after four terrible years of skiing on rocks in tahoe I’ve come up with an edge core shot method I’m psyched about. After trying base welds, Ptex dripping, and even jb weld, the reap airs would still only hold up a week or so. I started making my own flat strips of ptex by smashing a candle with an iron between parchment paper. Once you have a good strip roughly the same thickness as the base, cut it to fit snugly into the exposed core/edge shot. Superglue it into place. Next, use two layers of parchment paper and iron over it until it is flush with the base and edge. Let it cool, then SLOWLY peel off the paper. Voilá!

    Base welds would only hold up for a few days on this damage for me, dripping even less. The last one I put in was six inches long and a centimeter wide directly underfoot along my edge. I’ve been skiing over rocks and dirt and in the park the last two weeks and it is holding up better than any shop repair so far. Without burning the ptex, it remains flexible, and tough. Even a metal scraper can’t smooth it out, I use a sharp razor blade. Not the prettiest way to fix your core shots along the edge, but it’s the most durable and cost effective method I have found.

  10. Brett February 11, 2016 Reply

    I’ve read elsewhere that typical glue guns shouldn’t be used with P-tex because, while they can melt the candle, they are not hot enough to make a durable repair. But this article calls for temperatures as low as possible. I have an industrial glue gun (for gluing corrugated cartons). Can I use it for P-tex or no?

    • Sam Shaheen February 12, 2016 Reply

      Hey Brett,

      I definitely can’t condone you potentially sacrificing your glue gun with a base repair, but I can clarify a bit on the temperature issue.

      This article is written from the perspective of burning P-Tex candles, because of that, not all of the concepts are explained in a generalized sense. In general, we want to achieve 1) good integration of the repair with the existing base and 2) minimally change the properties of the P-Tex repair in the process.

      For burning P-Tex candles, we achieve this with a clean wound, warm base and controlled combustion at the candle tip. Controlled combustion is not exactly analogous to temperature. Uncontrolled combustion (orange flame) leads to chemical byproducts — short hydrocarbons, radicals, reactive species, etc. These byproducts are what change the level of crystallinity and cross linking in the polymer — not directly temperature.

      But in general, we achieve (1) with high temperature and (2) by being chemically “gentle” to the polymer.

      It turns out, the way you heat up the P-Tex is quite important. Lighting it on fire can lead in to partial combustion and byproducts — bad. Glue gun style devices use resistive heat and don’t rely on a chemical reaction at all — good. Base welds and P-Tex guns heat the P-Tex up to pretty high temperatures but because there is no combustion, the P-Tex stays chemically intact (more or less) and is stronger. The higher temperature the P-Tex, the lower viscosity (good for getting into nooks and crannies) and the better chemical integration with the existing base.

      Recap: High temperature is good, uncontrolled combustion is bad.

      Circling back to your question, I doubt your glue gun would get hot enough to create a good repair, it might have a hard time melting the P-Tex at all and that could result in a big mess. Use at your own risk.

      Hopefully that answers your question. Every time I revisit this article the topic gets more and more nuanced, it’s a simple problem that has a lot of chemistry, material science and engineering behind it!

      Thanks,
      Sam

      • Brett February 16, 2016 Reply

        Thank you for the thorough explanation, Sam. Armed with that information and some ideas gleaned elsewhere, here’s what I did to achieve a successful repair (so far) on a bad base blister (overheated while waxing):

        After de-waxing the affected area, I sliced an oval-shaped slit in the bubble, heated with heat gun and clamped it flat with thick steel plates. When cooled, I trimmed the perimeter of the slit using the “keystone” method, creating an inward bias to help lock in the P-Tex. I then glued in a thin piece of cotton to absorb some of the melted P-Tex and add grip. Once that was set, I lit the candle using a butane torch and held it close to the wound until it was filled. I filed off the excess with a fine rasp, followed by sandpaper.

        For added insurance, I then traced the perimeter of the repair with an old soldering gun, smoothing the joint between the base and the P-Tex. Followed again with some more sanding and a final wax.

        It was a lot of work but I’m impressed by how well it came out.

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