2014-2015 MOMENT PB&J, 188cm

2014-2015 MOMENT PB&J, 188cm

Review of the Moment PB&J, Blister Gear Review

14/15 Moment PB&J

Ski: 2014-2015 MOMENT PB&J, 188cm

Dimensions (mm): 129-101-121

Turn Radius: 23 meters

Actual Tip-to-Tail Length (straight tape pull): 186.3cm

Weight Per Ski: 2,210 grams / 4.88 lbs.

Boots / Bindings: Lange RX 130 / Marker Jester (DIN 10)

Mount Location: -4.25cm from true center, or 88.9cm from the tail

Test Location: Las Leñas, Snowbird, Arapahoe Basin

Days Skied: 11

(Editor’s Note: Our review was conducted on the 11/12 PB&J, which was not changed for the 12/13,  13/14 or 14/15 seasons, except for the graphics.)

Well let’s just go ahead and open with a strong statement: I’ve been skiing the MOMENT PB&J since May, and it has already become for me a serious contender for the best ‘one-ski quiver’ on the planet.

Normally, when talking one-ski quiver, I tend to think that 110mm-115mm underfoot is sort of the sweet spot. At that width, if the ski’s flex is dialed, you’ve got a shot at a ski that can handle hard stuff pretty well, yet still provides enough surface area to float in deep snow.

At 101mm underfoot, the PB&J is slightly narrower than my ideal do-everything ski, but the PB&J performs so well on hardpack, chop, frozen chop, powder, bumps, trees, straightlines, and a foot or two of fresh, if you are looking for one ski to try to do it all, the PB&J ought to be on your short list.

Jonathan Ellsworth on the Moment PB&J, Las Leñas.

Jonathan Ellsworth, Pala del Vulcano, Las Leñas.

This past spring, Rom Marcucci at MOMENT described the PB&J to me as a “skinnier Bibby Pro.” This was a very risky way to put things, because I love the Bibby Pro. If the PB&J turned out to be some softer, more intermediate-oriented park toy than the Bibby, I was not going to be happy.

But Rom was right.

And I am happy.

I got a number of days this spring at Arapahoe Basin, skiing the next best thing to powder: SLUSH BUMPS. My first run on the PB&Js was down the skier’s right side of Exhibition: low angle bump skiing with nice lines. The skis were great, and felt as good in the bumps as the 186cm Rossignol S3s (the S3 measures closer to 183cm tip to tail). With its centered mount, the PB&J is a super pivoty ski, which was nice, given its relatively long length for bump skiing.

At the end of the day, skiing steeper bumps with deeper troughs, I struggled a bit more with the PB&J. It was just a bit too long, and perhaps the tips were a bit too stiff—and maybe I was just a bit too tired. (For the record, I’m going to be raving about the stiffer tail and shovel in a minute.)

Heading over to Lenawee chair, we ripped Powerline down to the Treeline Terrain Park. The PB&J felt very stable in the slush, no speed limit, though certainly not as locked in as their non-tail rockered relative, the MOMENT Belafonte (even the 182cm Belafonte.) There was no washing out on any of this stuff, but again, we were skiing beautiful spring slush. Get these on steep ice, and that rockered tail isn’t going to help the skis track.

Airs off of the top of Cornice run felt good, and I was impressed at how well the PB&J handled the slushed up chop of King Cornice, West Wall, and Wildcat. MOMENT built the PB&J with a symmetrical flex to up its park game, but I found the relatively stiff flex to be just about perfect for landing airs and tracking well down chopped up snow and wet fresh.

Jonathan Ellsworth, Arapahoe Basin.

(First aside: the PB&J I was riding seems to hand flex softer than my 184cm Bibby Pros, but I didn’t feel that the tails skied softer. This is a very good thing, since—to me—the tail on the Bibby Pros is pretty much perfect. Get backseat on the Belafonte or Garbones, and you are going to be taken for a ride. Get backseat on the Bibby Pro, however, and it sort of pops you back into position. To me, it’s perfect, and the PB&J has a similar feel.)

After a number of days at A-Basin, I took the PB&Js out to Utah to ski over the 4th of July. On this most American of American holidays, the PB&J raised an interesting question: What’s more American than apple pie? If anything, peanut butter and jelly.

(Second aside: Did you know that peanut butter was invented in 1890, but peanut butter and jelly didn’t come together till the 1940s, and a new American sandwich was born, quickly becoming the greatest thing since sliced bread—which itself was invented 10-20 years before peanut butter and jelly….Yeah, you’re welcome.)

Skiing at Snowbird, we were beyond spring conditions and into full on SUMMER conditions: super slush, thick, puddly, and slow. The snow was definitely grabby, and there were lots of transitions from firmer snow in the shade to wet, peanut butter snow in the sun. People were getting bucked around pretty good, but the PB&Js definitely evened out the ride and made for an outstanding long weekend.

Next stop, Las Leñas….

Where to Buy:

Comments:

  1. Jonathan, again, congratulations for the review. Oh man, big question arises to me now that you´ve made this review about the PB&J…I was decided to go for the Belafonte as I´m an agressive skier and love dropping cliffs and what I need is a ski that can handle everything, variable conditions, ice, pow, chop…. I was looking for a freeride ski that could perform as good as possible on groomer and this ski is gonna be my only ski quiver. I also opted to go for the Belafonte because in other review I read from you, you said that the Belafonte will make me a better skier (I already consider myself a good skier, I´m 23 now and started skiing at 10) as it doesn´t forgive. But on the other hand you only say good things about the PB&J and is more versatile so it becomes is a serious good competitor as a “one ski quiver”.
    So that´s it that´s all, oh, in your Belafonte review you also said this ski was ridicously fun on groomers…could you compare it to the belafonte?so…if you were on my shoes…what would you do?

  2. Hey Jaime! Good to hear from you again.

    Alright, Belafonte vs. PB&J: The Belafonte is the better groomer ski. The PB&J is really fun on groomers, especially soft groomers. But when things get really firm, the tail of the Belafonte will lock you in to a turn better than the PB&J. I would rather ski the Belafonte in chop, too – it’s even more stable than the PB&J in that stuff. The PB&J is easier to ski than the Belafonte, it’s more forgiving. On a deep day, I’d probably take the 188cm PB&J out over the 182 Belafonte, just because of the PB&Js tip and tail rocker. But our reviewer Garrett Altmann skied the Belafonte in deep snow and liked it, and if I remember correctly, he weighs about the same as you. To me, the PB&J is easier in bumps, but I think you’ll get used to either. If you’re really skiing hard and dropping cliffs, both skis can do the job. But the more concerned you are with groomers, variable conditions, chop, and ice, that all points toward the Belafonte. The more emphasis you place on soft snow performance, “playfulness,” and a good mix of stability + forgiveness, then it would sound like you’d be leaning more toward the PB&J.

  3. Awesome Review! I think I’m going to end up getting these but Im stuck between the 182′s and the 188′s. I am 6ft, 160lb and probably around the advanced/expert range. I currently ski a pair of non-rockered 180′s. My worry is that the 182′s might be too small to charge big lines, while the 188′s might be too throw around in bumps. What are your thoughts?

  4. Hey Jordan – ultimately, it’s going to come down to the question: What’s your priority, big lines, or bumps? If big lines, then 188, no brainer. If bumps, then 182, no brainer. Where do you ski? If you ski bumps 90% of the time, and get to bigger mountain stuff 10% of the time, I’d go 182.

    Also, a straight tape pull measurement on the 182 PB&Js is 180.5cm, almost exactly the length of your current skis. The 188cm PB&Js come in at 186.3cm, a whopping difference of 6 whole centimeters. My point is, it sounds like you’ve identified the ski you want, so I would think about the terrain and conditions where you’ll spend the majority of time on these skis, and let that make the decision for you. Of course, you could also just flip a coin, too.

    Let me know what you decide to do, and how it works out.

  5. I ordered a pair of 182′s this afternoon. Thanks for the help!

  6. Hey,

    Just wondering, did you mount these ski’s on the factory recommended line or did you move the bindings back a little bit?!

  7. Hey Josh, I mounted mine 1cm back from the factory recommended line.

    I wrote the following a little while ago in response to a question re: mount position on the PB&J:

    “My take on this is that somebody who was going to hit the flippy / spinny stuff hard could move these forward 1 or 2 cms from my line [so just to be clear, 1 cm forward of my line = factory recommended] and be fine. For more directional skiers, I don’t think these need to get mounted further back.

    I hate getting tip dive when I’m skiing centered in pow, and some of the more forward mounts that definitely make life better for the flippy / spinny action can certainly compromise this. At [1cm back from factory] I wasn’t getting tip dive or getting bucked forward. Seems to me that this ski has a pretty large sweet spot with respect to the mount position. Go +1 or -1 of my line, and you’ll likely be fine.”

  8. Great review! I would love however, if you had one of your “2nd looks” at it and had someone take it into the park for at least half a day. They do say on the ski’s description that it can slay park so id like to know if there is any truth to this…seeing as i am a park skier who is in search of a one ski quiver.

  9. Thanks, Brian. I didn’t mention it above, but our reviewer Andrew Gregovich did, actually, have the PB&J in the park for about 1/2 a day this spring. He definitely felt like the 188cm was a lot of ski, so my comments in the review reflect that initial impression from Andrew.

    But even if Andrew is right, it still leaves the question of the 182cm PB&Js park chops, which is frankly just a more appropriate park length anyway.

    Even so, we’ll definitely get a fuller report soon on the 188′s park performance, and hopefully can do the same down the road with the 182.

  10. I am trying to decide if these will be good as a backcountry ski (mounted with fritschi AT bindings). Specifically, the tail rocker seems like I’ll lose a fair amount of skin contact with the snow, making skinning more difficult.

    Do you think the Belafonte is much better for backcountry? I generally like a bit smaller of a turn radius than the Belafonte offers, making it a bit more playful, easier to get around. Any suggestions on other skis I should be looking at in this 105 underfoot-ish range?

    • Hi, Mike.

      For most people, the Belafonte probably isn’t best described as “playful”. It has no tail rocker, and very subtle tip rocker. I love the Belafonte, but it is a stiffer, more conventionally shaped ski, flotation isn’t it’s strongest suit, maching through chop is.

      You’ll have to decide how much of a detriment the tail rocker of the PB&J is for skinning. If you’re going with the 188cm, unless you are laying down really steep skin tracks, I wouldn’t be too concerned. The new DPS Wailer 99 has a really nice tail shape, and relatively subtle tail rocker. Might be worth a look.

      • Thanks for the reply. I decided to go with the 182 PB&J. Hopefully not too much skin traction will be lost with the tail rocker.

        I was hoping for some advise on mounting position. I barely ever ski swtich, and never land jumps switch. I’ll be touring/resort about 50/50. I’m thinking I don’t want true center of the ski. Do you know what the recommended binding mount is for my habits?

  11. So I bought a pair of Line Elizabeths (110mm) after a trip out west having only brought my 86mm park skis and 130mm EP Pros (yeah, big gap – I know). I went with the Elizabeths because they were designed for park (which I ski 90% of the time), but their wide profile provide great float. Their flex pattern is also really soft, and at 135lbs ish, I’m light – so that suits me just fine. The problem is that their traditional camber profile makes you work to keep those tips up. What I need is a do-it-all, Swiss-army knife ski that I can bring with me westward along with my EP Pros for the backcountry deep (to which I have my touring bindings mounted). I’m looking for it to be able to rip the park, but when I want to explore the mountain, also give me some float with the 10-15cms of overnight, and do some glade skiing. I’ve ridden a ‘mustashe camber’ ski before (Armada JJs) and wasn’t actually a huge fan (lots of tip chatter), but could see their benefit. Should I stick with what I have, or trade in for the newer technology?

    - Colin

  12. Hard to say, Colin. You’ll definitely get less tip chatter on the PB&Js than the Armada JJs, but I can’t vouch for how much you’ll like the PB&J as a park ski. For “ripping the mountain” and giving “some float for 10-15cms” of fresh, the PB&J is perfect. But if you’re riding the park 90% of the time? Sounds like your best case would be to demo the 182 PB&J. If you can’t do that, you’ll have to decide whether or not to roll the dice.

  13. Jon,

    I am curious to how you would compare the stiffness of these to the ON3P Jeronimo. After reading this review I ordered a pair of 188 PB&Js from back country, but after hand flexing them returned them. I felt that they were too stiff for a soft snow/mild park ski, and would require a lot of effort to ski rather then a more laid back and playful ski. They seemed like an excellent hard charging ski however. I am a strong skier and at 6’2” and 225lbs I am familiar with stiff skis. How does the stiffness of the Jeronimo compare, and would you describe it as poppy and playful? I am looking for a ski for 70/30 all mountain/park duty which can take on harder packed groomers days after a storm.

    -Alex

    • Hi Alex, the 10/11 Jeronimo was at least as stiff – if not stiffer – than the PB&J. ON3P has allegedly softened up the 11/12 Jeronimo, but I haven’t skied or flexed that ski, so don’t know how much it’s really changed. Honestly, at your size, I think you sent back the ski that would be the easiest recommendation for me to make, for what you say you’re looking for. The PB&Js are not demanding, they just aren’t noodles. But if you’re convinced that the PB&J isn’t the ski, you could try the new Jeronimo. I just imagine that they’ll have a pretty similar feel. The 10/11 Jeronimo wasn’t best described as poppy and playful, but burly. (You’ve read our 2 reviews of the Jeronimo, right?)

  14. I am trying to decide between the 182 and the 188 PB&J. I am 6foot, 160lbs. And I ski pretty aggressively. Thoughts?

    Thanks!

  15. Hi Alfonso, see my reply above in the Comments section to Jordan, who is exactly your height and weight. Cheers.

    • Thanks! Just checked it out. Tough decision.

      I also read your response regarding the PB&J vs. Belafonte, and I am having the same questions

      First, I read on another site that the 2012 Bela is lighter and softer than the 2011 Bela. True? And do you know anyone that’s skied it and knows how the performance has changed?

      Second, if you were going to use one of these skis in the backcountry (50/50 backcountry touring vs. resort), would that make you lean towards one ski or the other?

      Any other comments/suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks!

      • 1) The other website is wrong. I just reconfirmed with the VP of MOMENT that the Belafonte is unchanged from 10/11 to 11/12.

        2) Personally, I would take the PB&J over the Belafonte as a backcountry ski, because if I’m skinning, I’m searching for soft snow, and the PB&J floats better than the Belafonte. If you are consistently skiing harder snow / hard chop in the BC, you might prefer the Belafonte. The Belafonte is amazing, but it shines at speed and in chop. The PB&J is a bit less stiff than the Belafonte, has tail rocker, has more tip rocker, and is a bit more playful. I love both, but for BC, I’m looking more for the qualities of the PB&J.

  16. I am interested in the PB&J and Volkl Bridge. I live in the East and spend three weeks out West. I like skiing the trees and the edges. My Western skis are Armada JJs, but I plan on bringing another pair when the pow is minimal. Which do you recommend? What length (Bridge 171 vs 178), (PB&J 172 vs 182)? I am 5’9″, 160 pounds, advanced/expert.

    • Alan – first, the easy question: at your height and weight, if you are an advanced / expert skier, I would definitely go with the 179 Bridge or the 182 PB&J – do not go shorter. The Bridge and the PB&J are quite different skis, and I haven’t skied the Bridge, and, unfortunately, Will Brown hasn’t yet had much time on the PB&J. It definitely seem like the PB&J has the higher speed limit, and I would take it in a heartbeat over the Bridge in chopped snow. My hunch is that the Bridge might be more fun in bumps. Long and short: the more you want to rage down the mountain, the more I would favor the PB&J over the Bridge. The more you want to be quick, have fun in bumps, and are skiing at moderate speeds, I think the Bridge will be a fun tool for the job. And BTW, we’ll be posting a 2nd Look review of the Bridge in a week or so, from a reviewer who is just about your size.

  17. Howdy,

    Thanks for the great reviews! Do you have any thoughts about how the PB&J would perform as a tele ski? I have a pair of O1′s that I’m looking to mount on my “quiver of one” ski. Would your recommendations for ski length be different for using this as a tele ski? Thanks!

    • Sean, telemark advice is something I should generally try to stay away from – but all of my tele friends agree that they like a somewhat stiff, and definitely supportive tail. And none of them ski shorter skis when they are set up for tele than they do when they ski alpine. Choose the size that you think would work best for you as a skier – not as an alpine or tele skier.

      On that note, no more tele advice from me re: PB&J vs. Belafonte. I will say that those tails are similar enough, I’d pay more attention to the fact that the PB&J is a rockered tail, while the Belafonte is a traditional twin tip.

  18. I am also curious about how the Belafonte and PB&J compare as tele skis. I read the comparison above — Do you suspect the points you make would be different if these skis are mounted tele?

  19. Great review! You guys haven’t tried the Armada TST by any chance? They have gotten some outstanding reviews on other sites and I’m torn between the two skis. I’m 5’8″, 160lbs and skis mainly tight “under the lift” type terrain at WB as well as GS’ing soft moguls. The trick is I also like just pointing and shooting in the big bowls, and of course up here we get lots of “heavy west cost powder”. So essentially i’m looking for a ski that can turn on a dime (smear) in tight situations, but can also bust through the crud to GS soft moguls and chopped snow. Any recos for that one ski quiver from what you guys have tested?

    • Hi, Mike. We haven’t skied the TST, so can’t help there, but I think the 182 PB&J could fit the bill for what you’re describing. Obviously, since the PB&J is only 101 underfoot, it’s specialty isn’t deep snow performance. And honestly, the Blizzard Cochise – if you can find it in a 185cm length – would be a slightly larger one ski quiver that could do what you say you’re looking for.

  20. Hi Blister,
    Most advice I have read online about ‘mustache’ skis is to aggresively detune the tip and tail to a cm or two towards the middle past the contact points. Does this apply to the PB&J also?

    • Tony, detuning really comes down to personal preference. I almost never detune skis right away, others detune pretty much the entire ski right away, and others will detune just down past the widest point of the tip and tail. The last practice is pretty safe, unless you’re in the park – then detune away.

      I say go ski them, and if they are feeling hooky or grabby, get a gummi stone and detune to taste. Continue to experiment if you wish, detuning and resharpening till you find edge nirvana.

  21. Jonathan/Blister,

    Thanks for the great review. I moved to CO last summer and just got back into skiing after a 13 year hiatus. It has been fun getting back out there. I purchased some all around skis during a Thanksgiving Day sale, and felt that I got a pretty good deal. But I came to find out that 1) what I purchased is the standard ski that is used at Beaver Creek for rentals, and 2) my friend that I have been skiing with pointed out that the skis were not as all around as I had believed (would not function well in powder). So bottom line I screwed up. As a result, I demo’d the S3 at 168 last Monday when Beaver Creek got 7″ of powder. There was a marked difference and I really enjoyed the skis. This experience has led me to look into picking up the right kind of “one quiver skis” that I was looking for initially. My friend recommended in addition to considering the S3 that I look at the K2 Kung Fujas, the Nordica Soul Riders, and the Moment PB&J’s. I stand 5’8″ and 175 lbs, so the Soul Riders seem like they might be a little long since the shortest size is 177. The Kung Fujas have some good reviews, but I don’t like the fact that the graphics apparently peel quite easily. The S3′s worked really well. Your review on the PB&J’s seems pretty awesome, and my friend thinks they would be the way to go. I get a little concerned because I don’t think I can demo the PB&J’s anywhere, so I was hoping to get some advice from some people that are not married to a particular brand – just believe in spreading the word on the best all around skis. I really want a great multi-purpose, all mountain ski that can serve as my one and done set for a few years. I will not be doing any park skiing, so I am not concerned about that. What would you (or anyone else for that matter) recommend for my situation with regards to the PB&J’s and the other three models mentioned? Thanks in advance for your consideration. I really want to get myself set up right.

    • Hi, Adam – welcome back to skiing.

      A couple thoughts: for the skis you’re considering, I would seriously encourage you to consider longer lengths – 177 as a minimum, and I wouldn’t shy away from a 186 S3. A straight tape pull on on S3 is only about 183cms, and as you’ve already found out, these are very easy to ski. I can almost guarantee that as you ski more, improve, and seek more speed, you will quickly regret buying something around 168. (Now, if we were talking stiff, metal race skis, that might be a whole different story.)

      We will be getting on the Soul Rider shortly, so we will be weighing in soon. But since you’ve already enjoyed the S3, I would consider it as a good choice for you (or it’s very similar sibling, the Scimitar – see our review). But seriously, consider the S3 (or Scimitar) in the 186 length.

      As for the PB&J, I love that ski, but I worry a little that it might be stiffer and a bit more difficult to handle, at least for a while. (And for the PB&J, I would recommend the 182cm length for you.) It is definitely a stiffer ski than the S3 – and that’s why I personally like it. But the s3 is more forgiving and incredibly easy.

      I think it comes down to this: do you want a ski that you will love right now (s3, 186), or a ski that will be very good right now – though occasionally perhaps a bit more ski than is comfortable – but a ski that you are not going to overpower / outgrow?

      • Thanks for the great input, Jonathan. It is very helpful and much appreciated. I will definitely take your recommendation and ensure that I bump up to longer skis. I am looking forward to the Blister review on the Soul Riders, and I am also hoping to demo them this coming weekend.

        I have been able to log some good ski time in my return to the sport thus far this winter compared to the time that I put in historically. I also feel that I have improved a great deal in the time that I have been out on the slopes. It is a challenging predicament, however, that you correctly identified. On the one hand, there is the pull to ski something that is a great fit and I will love skiing right now (S3, 186). Additionally, is there something to be said with regards to getting more of my ski legs under me on a more comfortable ski before bumping up to something more advanced? On the other hand there is the desire to get something that will last me a long time to minimize my financial output for a while (PB&J), especially when considering that I already spent money on skis that I had hoped would fit this bill, but did not. This was my goal from the outset: a quality, all mountain ski that I could grow with but not outgrow. Coupled with this, however, is the potential issue that the PB&J may be bit much for me to handle for a bit as I continue to progress.

        Obviously having not seen me ski it is hard to estimate how much of an impact a more advanced ski like the PB&J may have upfront as I continue to get back into the sport. Do you feel that I would be putting myself at substantially greater risk (fun wise, safety wise, etc.) if I ultimately decided to go the PB&J route? If I try to log a bunch more mountain time over the remainder of the season (let’s assume 80% of the weekends between now and May), how realistic is it for me to accelerate my learning curve on the PB&J and get comfortable with it?

  22. Great review. I’ve now skied the PB&Js (based on your recommendation) at Taos, Alta, and Snowbird this season (mine are 188 with Rossignol FKS bindings). I have no regrets on the purchase.

    After getting the PB&Js tuned and waxed I took them out for a spin and found they are FAST. Great on the groomers and fabulous at GS turns. They are also great in the bumps – probably the first “all mountain” ski that I’ve really enjoyed making a zipper line through the bumps in.

    Mostly the conditions I’ve skied the PB&Js in this season have been packed powder with one day of fresh and relatively deep snow (while at Snowbird). I agree that they are a solid all mountain ski and are great for just about everything except deep powder. They are a joy in the bumps, fast on the groomers, and responsive in the trees and in up to 6 – 8 inches of fresh snow. I agree with your comment above that the Belafontes (which I also skied this season) are a bit more solid in the chop, which is my one (and only) complaint with the PB&Js. But I wouldn’t trade the playfulness of these boards for the stiffer ride of the Belafontes (or many other skis).

  23. Hi Jonathan,

    Thanks for all the great reviews; they’re really helpful! I am in the market for a new pair of skis to replace my 166cm Armada AR6s. I am 5’9, around 145lbs, and I ski the east coast, mostly Vermont and New Hampshire. I ski trees whenever we get some snow, and hit cliffs and whatever drops I can find. But living on the east coast, icy days are a reality and I need a ski that can rip groomers and hit some park jumps. I like how light and poppy the AR6 is, but it is beginning to feel too flimsy and chattery at high speed, and I’d like skis that float a bit better. My friend has a pair of Kung Fujas’s which I tried, and they felt sort of dead and boring, not to mention heavy. So based on some reviews and looking around, I’ve been thinking that the Moment Tahoe might be the perfect ski: lighter and poppier than the PB&J, but still wide enough to be stable and float a bit. What do you guys think?

    Thanks a lot,
    Doug

    • You could try the Tahoe, Doug, but I can’t see taking them into the park. The Tahoe has been redesigned for 13/14, but the 12/13 is a pretty traditional ski with a bit of tip rocker. It might work for you, but I can’t say it seems like it would be an obvious fit. I’m also not sure that I found the Tahoe to be poppier than the PB&J…but it’s been a long time since I skied the Tahoe. Sort of wonder whether the Armada TST might be worth a look. Carves well, is definitely light, solid tail for landings, no tail rocker – just like the Tahoe. Seems like it might be a better fit for what you’re looking for.

      • Hi Jonathan,
        I am 6’1” and weigh 225, I am an intermediate/advanced skier. I am starting to venture off piste more and more but am still. a 60/40 . I live in in NV and mostly ski at resorts such as Heavenly and Kirkwood, I have some 184 Mantras as well as 185 Cochises. I was wondering if the PB & J’s would be a betterall around ski than the Mantras for my purposes ie. groomers, some trees, and some soft snowe occasional powder, and of course crud. I also go back east to the New England are and ski occasionally woul the PB & J’s work back there as well? You review sounds like this is an awesome ski for almost anything, would this ski be good givn my size as it has no metal?
        Also have been experimenting with some tele skiing, I bought a pair of K2 sideshows for that would the tahoes or PB & J suit this as well bearing in mind a beginner tele skier.
        Thanks….Really enjoy all your reviews

        • Hey, Luis. Your Mantras will definitely provide better edge grip on groomers than the PB&J, though I bet you’ll find the PB&J to be more fun (and easier) off-piste and in moguls. The Cochise sort of falls between the two: I bet you find it better in terms of edge hold than the PB&J, but the PB&J is a more “fun” ski – more centered mount position, no metal, etc. The Mantra isn’t a “fun” ski – it’s a powerful ski that is fun the better your technique is. The PB&J would be more forgiving, and the Cochise would fall between the Manta and the PB&J on this spectrum. Beyond that, I can’t say much beyond my PB&J and Cochise review, but I hope that helps a little. Mostly, just don’t expect the tail rockered PB&J to rail groomers like your Mantras.

          • Thanks Jonathan, sounds good. I think I will definitely run over to the Moment factory and get some PB & J’s thinking 188 cm. Might even get a second pair and throw some Hammerheads on them…! Thanks again!

            Luis

  24. Thanks for getting back to me. Sounds like I should cross the tahoe off of
    my list… The TST looks good except for a lot of people saying that they
    aren’t too good for park. What do you think about the Rossignol S3 or the
    ON3P Jeronimo in terms of being fun, light and poppy, but still more stable
    than my AR6s?
    Thanks again,
    Doug

    • I haven’t skied the AR6, Doug, so I can’t say whether the S3 will be more stable. (The S3 is, however, fun, light, and poppy.) As for the Jeronimo, we haven’t skied the new version, and you can read our reviews of the older Jeronimo. But I think you may have to decide whether you really want LIGHT or you really want STABLE…

  25. Intersting…I think you’ve caught me wishing for a ski that (maybe) doesn’t exist. I think that I want to err on the side of fun and poppy, just without being quite as noodly as my AR6s. Based on what I’ve read, despite being wider than the other skis I’ve looked at, the Line Sir Francis Bacon might be the perfect ski: able to rip some hardpack and park, super fun in the trees and soft snow. Am I crazy or could that be just the right ski?

  26. Pulled the trigger on the SFB in a 184! Thanks for all the advice.

  27. I am debating which ski to get I either want the line sick day 95, sick day 110, SFB, or moment pb and j. I ski at jay peak vermont. I want a ski that handles groomers but still folats in pow. I also ski a lot of tight skis and moguls, which of the ski will be best for me. Or do you have any other suggestions that meet my citeria. I am 5′ 10″ and weigh 145lbs. I am an advanced skier

  28. I’m looking at the PBnJ and need a little advice. The three moment skis I’ve considered are the belafonte, PBnJ, and the deathwish. Im 6′ 200 and ski fast and aggressively. I, like all, want a great one ski quiver. I like to rip groomers and bumps, hit the side country on a pow day, and drop then rip. Based on your experience with these three skis what would you recommend?

    Thanks

    MS

    • Hey, Matthew – given that we’ve written over 25,000 words (if you count the comments sections) and 3 reviews of each of these skis, I don’t think I can add anything new on the topic. But read the reviews and the comments section, figure out which tradeoffs you’re willing to live with, and I’ll be shocked if you’re still unclear on which way to go.

  29. Hi, im about 6″3/6″2 and weigh between 180/90 pounds. Would the pb&j be Long enaugh?
    Also im lookig for a ski in Addition to My Park ski and trying to decide! I dont get a Lot of POW days and lookig for a ski that is also Good in groomers and CAN be tanken into the Park. World you rather recommend the deathwish or the PB&J?

  30. After reading all the great Bibby vs. Billy Goat reviews, I’m stoked to see how the ON3P Jeffrey stacks up to the PB&J. Will you guys be getting on it this season? Thank you!

  31. Great review thanks guys! I’ve been skiing the 188 pb&j for the last season and love it. Mine recently had to be returned as they were defective.

    I’m looking for something to replace them. Buying a new pair of pb&js is certainly an option as i loved the stiffness, versatility, shape, durability of the ski. But i didn’t love the amount of tail rocker. What would be a similar ski with less tail rocker? Is the Belafonte what i’m after? And how comparable is the 187 Belafonte to the 188 pb&j? Whatever ski i get will be an everyday ski in Telluride for a strong skier and has to be able to handle pretty much everything except deep pow (i have a set of bibby’s for that). Thanks for any pointers and keep up the good work!

    • Hey, Will – we’ve written a million words now on both the Belafonte and PB&J, so I’m not sure there’s a whole lot new to say. The Belafonte is certainly way more directional, less playful, more work, and a stiffer ski all around. But for a strong skier? I personally love the sound of a 187 Belafonte as an everyday Telluride ski. In bulletproof-hard moguls they might not be the most fun, but I’d make do there and love them everywhere else. (Plus, pairing them with a Bibby = winning at life.)

      But that’s just me. Our reviews will hopefully help you figure out if that’s you, too.

  32. Hey guys, having trouble sizing the PB&J. I’m 5’10 175 but just an intermediate skier. I live on the east coast and travel west a couple times a year. Looking to get a PB&J as a daily driver. Was thinking 182?

    • Hi, Gabe – I’m very close to your height / weight, and I do really like the 188s. But if you’re worried about very tight trees or tightly-spaced moguls, I think you could get away with the 182s and find them to still be stable. But remember: these are pretty heavily tip and tail rockered, so these will ski significantly shorter than 182cm skis you may have been on that don’t have tail rocker (or perhaps tip rocker, either.) So just keep that in mind.

  33. I currently ski the Scott Punisher 189 and the Megawatt 188.
    I am looking for a ski for some groomers and a lot of time in the bumps.
    I am 6′ 4″ and 230 pounds. Looking at the Moment Tahoe, PB & J or the line Prophet 98 or a suggestion from you. I am a strong expert skier I do not jib. I ski Summit County and Vail.

    • Hey, Jake – I suspect you’ll like the 188s in bumps. As for groomers, so long as you don’t expect the skis to react like a fat, flat-tailed ski – especially for really firm groomers – then I think you’ll enjoy them there, too. The non-tail rockered Prophet 98 will feel like the more traditional carver.

  34. Hello Jonathan,

    I am thinking of buying the 2015 PB&J skis. I am a intermediate skier, have been skiing for 3 years, self taught. Im from CA, and I usually ski at Mammoth, Big Bear, go to Aspen once a year. Just want to know if this is the right skis for me. I usually stay on track, I am not an aggressive skier ( I believe Im not). I am skiing on 2011/2012 k2 Shockwaves. If these are the right skis, what length should I buy.
    Please recommend bindings as well!

    Height 5’8
    Weight 210

    Thank You,

  35. Best one ski quiver on the planet!!!

Questions? Comments? Tell us what you think.








Subscribe without commenting

Related Posts:

2011-2012 MOMENT PB&J, 188cm

2011-2012 MOMENT PB&J, 188cm

Aug 5, 2011
Array
1

The PB&J is MOMENT's invitation to you to go anywhere, do anything.

2014-2015 Völkl Bridge, 179cm

2014-2015 Völkl Bridge, 179cm

Aug 20, 2011
Array
2

A first look at Völkl's one-ski-quiver contender, the Bridge.

2011-2012 Black Diamond Megawatt, 188cm

2011-2012 Black Diamond Megawatt, 188cm

Aug 4, 2011
Array
0

Dimensions: 151-125-131mm. Turn radius: 35 meters. Initial thought: Mmmmm....