Ski: 2014-2015 Moment Bibby, 186cm
Stated Dimensions (mm): 145-120-136
Sidecut Radius: 23.5 meters
Actual Tip-to-Tail Length (straight tape pull): 183.8cm
Blister’s Measured Weight Per Ski: 2300 & 2367 grams
Mount Location: Recommended Line
Boots / Bindings: Salomon X-Pro 120 / Marker Jester (DIN at 10)
Days Skied: 5[Editor’s Note: We published this review on 9.24.13, and have updated the review after a deep day this past weekend. Our review was conducted on the 13/14 Bibby, which was not changed for 14/15, except for the graphics.]
Moment has changed the Bibby, and you may want to check out our review of the “old” 190cm Bibby Pro before you read this.
But before talking about any particular changes to any particular ski in Moment’s “All Mountain,” “Big Mountain,” or “Powder” categories, it’s important to note that there’s been a reshuffling of the whole line.
The Ghost Chant and Night Train are no more, but they’ve left a love child, the “Ghost Train,” which is now Moment’s most dedicated, loose, surfy pow ski, and 126mm underfoot.
Moment has also added the Exit World, a ski that is made from the same mold as the old Bibby Pro, but with a lighter paulownia / ash core. The intention was to make a more touring-friendly Bibby, and you can check out our review of the Exit World.
And then, there’s the new Bibby.
On Moment’s continuum, the Bibby now sits between the “big-mountain” Exit World and the “powder” specific Ghost Train.
But Moment locates the new Bibby in its “Powder” category, and that’s definitely where the ski belongs.
Here’s what Moment says about the new Bibby, with my comments interspersed:
After extensive testing, we’ve modified the rocker profile, the sidecut, and the dimensions.
Sidecut and dimensions, yes. But rocker profile? We’ll get to that in a sec.
The result is a wider, more powder-oriented and playful Bibby, but one that’s still capable of putting down a quick hardpack turn.
No disagreements here.
Lighter materials and improved construction techniques maintain a low swing weight…
The new Bibby does feel relatively quick, though I think it’s important to also note the new, more heavily tapered tip profile: the widest point of the shovel has been pulled away from the tip.
…flatter Mustache Rocker improves its surfy nature…
While the new Bibby definitely feels surfy, I’m less sure about the “flatter Mustache Rocker” part. The new Bibby still has a good bit of camber underfoot—around 5 millimeters—very similar to the old Bibby. The amount of tip splay of the new Bibby initially looked to me like it had been reduced just a touch, and the rocker line has in fact been lengthened by a few centimeters. The tail also has a slightly deeper rocker line than the old Bibby.
But Moment lists the “tip and tail rise” of the old Bibby as “65mm/50mm,” and the new Bibby as “65mm/65mm.” But I was having trouble seeing a 15mm disparity between the tail splay of the old and new Bibby, so I measured … and got numbers that were identical: tip splay = ~64mm for both the old and the new Bibby, and the tail splay = ~67mm for both skis. (If you aren’t clear on terms like “splay” and “rocker lines,” see our Rocker 101 article.)
…a marginally tighter turn radius keeps the Bibby incredibly nimble and versatile in every length.
The 186cm Bibby is nimble, certainly for a 120mm-underfoot ski.
One thing I’m personally very happy to report: the new Bibby is still quite stout. Handflexing the 186 new Bibby vs. the 190 old Bibby, the new Bibby felt at least as stiff as the old Bibby underfoot, and very similar through the tip and tail; if anything, the tips of the new Bibby have a slightly softer flex.
If Moment has made the new Bibby more powder-oriented, they have not made the new Bibby some floppy pow noodle. So for any lighter skiers who felt like the old Bibby was a pretty stout ski, well, it’s still a pretty stout ski.
Some Stats: Blister’s Measured Dimensions, Weight, and Length:
• 11/12 Bibby (190cm): 142-117.5-133mm / 2269 & 2300 grams / Length = 187.9 cm
• 13/14 Bibby (186cm): 144-120-134mm / 2300 & 2367 grams / Length = 183.8 cm
• Night Train (186cm): 140-123-132mm / 2308 & 2217 grams / Length = 184.2 cm
I’ve listed the Night Train here, too, because if the new Ghost Train is a combination of the old Ghost Chant and the Night Train, it wouldn’t be too far off to view the new Bibby as a combination of the old Bibby and the Night Train (more on this in a minute).
So, What’s the Biggest Difference Between the Old Bibby and the New Bibby?
The shape of the tips.
As noted, the new Bibby incorporates a lot of subtle changes. But its more tapered tip profile is the least subtle when it comes to on-snow performance. Take a look. The widest point of the 190 Bibby’s shovel is closer to the tip than the new Bibby:
The new Bibby has more tip taper, much more like the Night Train:
Pow Ski Comparisons: New 186cm Bibby Pro vs. 186cm Night Train
As I said, it wouldn’t be too far off to view the new Bibby as a combination of the old Bibby and the Night Train. And whether that is good news or bad news probably depends on the place you want the new Bibby to occupy in your quiver.
To be clear, the new Bibby has more tip and tail splay (64mm / 67mm) than the 186 Night Train (60mm / 60mm), and more camber underfoot than the Night Train—the Night Train is basically flat underfoot.
The widest section of the new Bibby’s tail is also a little farther back than the Night Train, and its recommended mount position is one centimeter behind the Night Train’s, translating to a slightly more directional, traditional mount point.
On snow, the “surfiness” of the new Bibby definitely reminded me a bit of the Night Train, and the new Bibby definitely feels a little looser than the old Bibby.
One of the things that is remarkable about the old 190 Bibby is that you can drive the shovels pretty hard in soft snow, and the ski is happy. You can also ski it centered, and the ski is happy. And you can even get in the backseat, and the ski won’t punish you, but will kind of nudge you back forward. It’s a very supportive tail, and an incredibly well-balanced ski. In short, the 190 Bibby has a huge sweet spot, and can tolerate an aggressive, forward style; a neutral, centered style; or a more relaxed, backseat style.
The new Bibby doesn’t encourage that forward style on hardpack or variable conditions, and this is where the new Bibby really reminded me of the Night Train. In fact, two years ago in my review of the Night Train vs. the (old) Bibby, I wrote, “You can drive the shovels of the Bibby; you’re better off staying more centered on the Night Train. The Bibby charges; the Night Train, not nearly as much.”
In this sense, the new 186cm Bibby feels like it’s been Night Trained.