2012-2013 MOMENT Deathwish
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Moment Deathwish, 184cm
Moment Deathwish, decambered.
Moment Deathwish - Shovel.
Moment Deathwish - shovel of the tail.
Moment Deathwish
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June 12, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Hi,
That was a great review on a very interesting ski. I am an east coast skier and I was thinking of getting either the PB&J or the deathwish. When directly compared which do you think would be best for the east coast (I am looking for good grip in hard condition as well as manageable in bumps). I would like something that can float pretty well when it does snow. I am 6′ 1″ 220 lbs, which of these to do you think is the better option.
June 13, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Thanks, Ian. I think you’re going to have to decide which is really the most important to you – (1) “good grip” (2) good in bumps (3) good flotation.
The more you care about (1), the more I would actually recommend (at your height/weight) the 187 Belafonte. If (3) is the most important, then I would recommend the Deathwish – it’s the fattest at 112mm, and it is tip and tail rockered. The Belafonte does fine in a foot or so of pow, but it isn’t going to give you a surfy, loose ride if that’s what you’re looking for. As for (2), I didn’t notice a ton of difference between the 184 Deathwish and the 188 PB&J. I like them both in the bumps. But I’ve also come to like the Belafonte more and more in bumps, especially if you’re a very solid bumps skier.
So if float is important, I’d suggest the Deathwish over the 101mm PB&J, especially since both are definitely “manageable” in bumps. I’m just a little reluctant to suggest that either will provide all the “grip” your looking for. But if you’ve got another carver for truly boilerplate days, then try that 190 Deathwish.
June 13, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Re Ian’s question; I got the PB&J late this (non)season and was able to ride it twice in 14-16″ fresh conditions. For my size, 5’11″, 220lbs, the relatively skinny 182 PB&J spent most of the time under the snow but it never stopped or slowed much. Its most remarkable trait was the ability to just turn on a dime at will, effortlessly changing turn shapes at will. Its grip in softer snow was fine; I never got it on hardpack. I no longer have the knees for bumps so no input there.
June 14, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Thank you both for the input. I keep hearing great things about the belafonte. It would be a shoe in except I like riding switch and doing spins. Although I am still pretty tempted because of all the good things said about it. It was good to hear an east coast perspective. I have ridden tail rockered skis and I know that because of the lack of tail there is an inherent lose of grip. As far as grip is concerned I just don’t want some thing that will let go unexpectedly. My only concern with the deathwish is that according to Moment it has a softer flex than the PB&J. Did that create a huge difference in its ability to ride through crud easily? Again your website is brilliant and the whole BLISTER manifesto is a nice breathe of fresh air I look forward to seeing more reviews from you.
June 14, 2012 at 6:48 pm
Moment calls the Deathwish a 7, the PB&J (and Bibby Pro) an 8. That seems about right to me: the Deathwish is noticeably softer, but it itsn’t a world of difference. For charging, I would rather be on the PB&J or Bibby. On the Deathwish, I just needed to stay a bit lighter and more centered.
I think a huge factor is, What’s your reference point? What skis have you liked, what are you currently skiing? If you’ve been on jib skis, the Deathwish may already feel more substantial than what you’re accustomed to, and you’ll dig it. When Andrew Gregovich wrote his review of the PB&J in the park, he definitely felt like it was a lot of ski, too much ski at times.
June 18, 2012 at 7:44 am
M Van; I am glad to hear the PB& J has good hold. I don’t except it to lock into the turn quite like some other skis, but thats ok with me.
Jonathan: As of now I ride very soft park skis (2009 Line anthem). They are fun at slow speeds but they are no good at any higher speed. Although of skis I have ridden my favorite have been the Volkl Mantra (2009) and the Blizzard Bonafide. The only reason I not considering either of those is because I would like a twin tipped ski. Also they are both just a smidge narrower then I would like. If I could have more skis in my quiver I would definitely include a directional stiff ski like one of those, but unfortunately I am a college student and I don’t have alot by means of cash. I am more inclined to get a ski that is a bit more versatile with regard to style of skiing. Given what you have said I am leaning a bit more towards the PB&J, even though the deathwish looks really interesting.
June 14, 2012 at 3:39 pm
For Ian again: I was also concerned re the performance of tail rockered skis on harder surfaces. I demoed three new such models with mixed results. With G3′s latest Tonic, I couldn’t buy a tele turn (having skied so for ten years) on hardpack as it kept washing out immediately. With BD’s latest (blue) Zealot, I kept overturning until I adjusted to making smaller movements (this ski is quite different than the earlier green version, being softer and having less bite on hard snow). I rode the PB&J on softer snow only and it turned with good edgehold. It was did not have the edge hold of my regular rides, G3′s Reverend and Ticket. Lastly, the PB&Js felt fairly soft (compared to those skis) but went through crud well, not deflecting or getting bounced around
June 25, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Hi,
Thanks for the awesome review on the deathwish. I live out west and ski wolf creek and i’m looking to get a new pair of skis. I’ve been checking out the Moment Bibby Pro and the Moment Deathwish. I want the ski to shine in powder, but for those times when skiing with the familia, i want a ski that’s good on groomers and bumps. Just how well does the Bibby hold up on groomers/bumps? Oh, and I’m 5’11″ 145lbs. advanced skier and still growing. Thanks a bunch!
June 30, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Hi, Sam, I’m assuming that you’re talking about 184cm lengths in either the Bibby Pro or the Deathwish (please tell me if I’m wrong, as that would change my answer a little), I would prefer to ski the Deathwish in bumps, but I could certainly make due on either. And I don’t think that the Deathwish is world’s better or worse than the Bibby on groomers—the differences would feel more subtle. As for powder, the Bibby is a bit fatter (the 184cm is 116mm underfoot; the 190cm is 118 underfoot), but the Deathwish is more center-mounted than the Bibby, and that would be my bigger concern / question in powder. So if you do go with the Deathwish, you might mount back 1cm just to reduce tip dive for those big days at Wolf Creek.
Ultimately, I think it really depends on where you you really want the ski to shine.
July 4, 2012 at 10:45 am
Ok thanks. I want the ski to mainly shine in powder, so i guess the bibby pro is a little more powder specific. What ski has a better swing weight? Does the softer flex in the deathwish make it more playful and trickable ( not sure on the wording there.) thanks again!
July 8, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Shine in powder = Bibby
Harder charger = Bibby
Swing Weight = Deathwish (lighter ski & more center mounted)
More playful & trickable = Deathwish
And if you haven’t already, be sure to take a look at Jason Hutchins’ review of the Deathwish. Let us know what you decide to do, and how it works out for you!
July 9, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Im looking to get the deathwish or bibby pro to ski resort but also a quite a bit of backcountry. Im about 5’10″ – 5’11″ 170lbs. Should I go with the 184 or 190. Thanks!
July 14, 2012 at 11:09 am
Hi, Brady – with a bit more information I’d be able to give a better suggestion: what are you currently skiing on? Where do you ski? Are you skiing a bunch of moguls and tight trees, or do you spend more time in open terrain? Are you someone who really wants less ski – a lighter ski – to tour on more easily, or are you willing to drag more ski up for the sake of better flotation on the way down?
Your answers to those questions ought to help you decide whether the slightly shorter or slightly longer length would make more sense.
August 1, 2012 at 8:57 am
Jonathon,
Just wanted to throw it out there that my 184 Bibby Pros (’11/’12) are 18mm underfoot, not 16mm, as has often been referenced on this site.
September 3, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Hey, so I’m an 18 year old 6 ft 180 lb skier with a racing background who spends 80% of my time on the mountain throwing tricks off piste. I wouldn’t consider myself a big mountain charger type but I do ski some steep technical lines every now and then. So my question is should I go for the Deathwish or the Night Train? I’ve read up on both skis and I’m having trouble deciding. I’m looking for a surfy jibby kind of ski that I can take cat skiing and on powder kicker sessions but can handle variable conditions. Thanks in advance for any advice.
October 10, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Hi Jonathan, have you skied any lib tech skis (sorry “NASes”) with the magne-traction technology? If yes, would you say, the idea is comparable to the deathwish – although as I understand the magne-traction waves go alongside the sidewall, so the camber profile is still one with two contact points with the nas models? After all, as you posted some comments on tuning (eg MVP) is all this playing with edge or camber contact points more a “marketing thing” in order to bring something “new” to the consumer and is it stiffnes, amount of camber, tuning that matters? Or would you say – or assume – that if the deathwish was stiffer and more directional, the tripple camber would add to edge hold?
April 8, 2013 at 4:07 pm
Will,
Great review. What would be the biggest differences between the 190 deathwish and the rocker2 115 in 1) Groomed hardpack performance and 2) Soft Snow performance?